[Rictor]

Hmm, the most interesting one yet IMHO

Video and transcript here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm

People of the world! These words come to you from those who up to the day of the invasion were struggling to survive under the sanctions imposed by the criminal regimes of the   U.S.    and   Britain   .

We are simple people who chose principles over fear.

We have suffered crimes and sanctions, which we consider the true weapons of mass destruction.

Years and years of agony and despair, while the condemned UN traded with our oil revenues in the name of world stability and peace.

Over two million innocents died waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel that only ended with the occupation of our country and the theft of our resources.

After the crimes of the administrations of the U.S and Britain in Iraq , we have chosen our future. The future of every resistance struggle ever in the history of man.

It is our duty, as well as our right, to fight back the occupying forces, which their nations will be held morally and economically responsible; for what their elected governments have destroyed and stolen from our land.

 We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. These are only a few of the lies that these criminals present to cover their true plans for the control of the energy resources of the world, in face of a growing China and a strong unified Europe . It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world.

We thank all those, including those of Britain and the U.S. , who took to the streets in protest against this war and against Globalism. We also thank France , Germany and other states for their position, which least to say are considered wise and balanced, til now.

Today, we call on you again.

We do not require arms or fighters, for we have plenty.

We ask you to form a world wide front against war and sanctions. A front that is governed by the wise and knowing. A front that will bring reform and order. New institutions that would replace the now corrupt.

Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world. Educate those in doubt of the true nature of this conflict and do not believe their media for their casualties are far higher than they admit.

We only wish we had more cameras to show the world their true defeat.

The enemy is on the run. They are in fear of a resistance movement they can not see nor predict.

We, now choose when, where, and how to strike. And as our ancestors drew the first sparks of civilization, we will redefine the word “conquest.“

Today we write a new chapter in the arts of urban warfare.

Know that by helping the Iraqi people you are helping yourselves, for tomorrow may bring the same destruction to you.

In helping the Iraqi people does not mean dealing for the Americans for a few contracts here and there. You must continue to isolate their strategy.

This conflict is no longer considered a localized war. Nor can the world remain hostage to the never-ending and regenerated fear that the American people suffer from in general.

We will pin them here in Iraq to drain their resources, manpower, and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they steal, if not more.

We will disrupt, then halt the flow of our stolen oil, thus, rendering their plans useless.

And the earlier a movement is born, the earlier their fall will be.

And to the American soldiers we say, you can also choose to fight tyranny with us. Lay down your weapons, and seek refuge in our mosques, churches and homes. We will protect you. And we will get you out of Iraq , as we have done with a few others before you.

Go back to your homes, families, and loved ones. This is not your war. Nor are you fighting for a true cause in Iraq .

And to George W. Bush, we say, “You have asked us to ‘Bring it on’, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge?”

[Bobboau]

feels good to have your ideals stroked doesn't it?

[Rictor]

I never said it did, nor did I say they were stroking my ideals.

What, you don't consider this newsworthy?

[Corsair]

It is a rather interesting read.

[Ace]

Fascinating. Though it would be more prudent to pretend you have capitulated and disrupt oil flow, etc. a country that appears to have rolled over can be a much greater threat.

[Bobboau]

oh comeon, you have your 'boys patting you on your back confiming everything for you.

"We thank all those, including those of Britain and the U.S. , who took to the streets in protest against this war and against Globalism."

the valient resestence fighters are telling you that you were right and just and your such great guys. come on admit it reading things like this makes you feel good. sort of how the falling of Sadam's statue made a lot of us feel justified and good.

this thing is just a rehashing and consolidation of the same retoric that has been gushing from the'freedom fighters' (and there suporters) for.. years.

though, I do respect the aditud in the last paragraph.

[Flipside]

Does it ever get to the point where you are just fed up with having your brain screwed until you no longer know what to believe and from where?

I want to believe this of the Iraqi people, I want to believe that if the above happened it could all end peacefully. But that doesn't always make it the truth alas, it seems that the Olive Branch, these days, always seems to have thorns on it.

It may well be a true representation of their feelings, or it may be designed to pamper to what the numerical majority of the world want to believe is the truth anyway, because somehow that makes us less dirty if we can assign 'good guys' and 'bad guys' to them.

[Bobboau]

this part of the world is nothing more than a political foot ball between the major political powers of the western world. and these people are playing both sides around the middle.
that's as far as I can figure it.

what there saying is to perfictly in line with the anti-gloablist 'movement'. Rictor, what would you think if I posted a long letter from an Iraqi about how they are so thankful that we freed them from Sadams tyrany?

[Flipside]

That's the whole thing, Bobboau, I've become such a sceptic of the whole thing now, that I would doubt the complete sincerity of any information posted on the subject, I am sure that there are Iraqis who are glad to be free of Saddam, just as I'm sure there are now Iraqis who would now be glad to be free of the American occupying forces.

I find myself wondering what the world would have been like if Saddam had the money instead of America (Socially only, the religious issue is a whole other forum's worth of debate). Would it be worse, it's not written that it would be, maybe Saddams bitterness came from his treatment by the American government and slant-drilling by American corporations in Kuwait. Who can say, I've heard so many rumours and seen so much speculation that I can't. Saddam may have been an entirely different man, since he would have grown up an entirely different way.

There are Iraqis who consider themselves 'good' and the US forces as 'bad', genuinely so. Are they wrong? No. Those Iraqis are obviously considered 'bad' by the Americans, are they wrong? No.

Ah well, maybe if we stopped thinking people as good and bad, and started thinking of people as people we might get somewhere

[redmenace]

Insurgents: Help us France help us Germany
France: Umm, how much are you willing to pay us, huhhuhhuh

[Bobboau]

I was agreeing with/suporting what you said

the thing is, if you think of someone as a person and they still think of you as a monster, they have the advantage. becase you are willing to trust them.

[redsniper]

Awww, just nuke it all into glass, then drill through the glass and get the oil. There, am I fulfilling the ignorant American stereotype well enough for you?

note: I don't believe that's really the solution, but sometimes I wish we could just get rid of that whole mess over there.

[Deepblue]

Ok, who here actually believes the war in Iraq was for oil?

[redmenace]

It was about oil in that is our main concern in the middle east. We don't want to steal it per se.

[Deepblue]

We've forgiven them a TON of money spent by Saddam.

I'm wondering if that message was Zarquiwe (sp?) affiliated or not...

[redsniper]

Who here actually believes it's about WMDs?

[Deepblue]

We, now choose when, where, and how to strike. And as our ancestors drew the first sparks of civilization, we will redefine the word “conquest.“

They should have chosen a different word, like one that actually works in that context.

[Deepblue]

And to George W. Bush, we say, “You have asked us to ‘Bring it on’, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge?”

"Keep on dying like the miserable worms you are."

That should work nicely.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Bobboau
I was agreeing with/suporting what you said

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I know you were Bobboau, sorry if I sounded argumentative

[Deepblue]

Originally posted by redsniper
Who here actually believes it's about WMDs?

Everyone thought he had WMD's, you know why? We gave them to him and he used them on the Kurds.