[NGTM-1R]

Exodus. Nephlims made intersystem jumps.

Come to think of it, so did Vasudan fighters. They were able to do so before the Terrans...

[Trivial Psychic]

I noticed that too.  Of course, the Shivans don't seem to be coming out of any particular node, so they may have already been in the system, but I doubt the Shivans have a destroyer in every system that they've got fighters in.

[Nuke]

i have a theory that that a regon of space with a black hole in it woud have huge amouts of subspace activity.  it would in effect be a subspace hub linking to tens or perhaps hundreds of systems. it is also my theory that shivans make hives out of theese regions.  yould also explain why the shivans want to hurry stellar evolution. id doesnt seem to me that the shivans primary objective is the destruction of all spiecies but is rather some breater purpose, and lesser spiecies just get in their way. its like all the earthworms that have to die when we errected a new quick-e-mart.

[SadisticSid]

Aren't intersystem nodes naturally formed at LaGrange points (0 gravitational influence)? Perhaps the movement of celestial bodies is responsible for the creation and destruction of unstable nodes in that case.

I think intersystem fighter drives weren't created so much from Shivan technology as they found out how to apply the theory of intersystem capship drives using a lot less power which only those massive reactors could provide.

[Eishtmo]

Originally posted by SadisticSid
Aren't intersystem nodes naturally formed at LaGrange points (0 gravitational influence)? Perhaps the movement of celestial bodies is responsible for the creation and destruction of unstable nodes in that case.

No, there's no evidence of that (the one in the asteriod field throws the idea out completely).  There doesn't seem to be any particular reason as to where they form or for how long.  The few that are stable exist that way for 1000 years or more, which hurts the idea even more.  I think most, if not all, of the stable nodes were created by the Ancients and didn't really exist before.

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
I think most, if not all, of the stable nodes were created by the Ancients and didn't really exist before.

I'm believing that it was a species before them that created the nodes, 'cause why would the Ancients then have to create a massive device to stabalize a collapsed node?  Why not create a new one that doesn't need a Knossos to sustain it?  Even Bosch himself surmised that the Shivans had destroyed species that predated the Ancients.  If the Ancients created subspace nodes, how did the Shivans attack those species with no jumpnodes to get around with?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
No, there's no evidence of that (the one in the asteriod field throws the idea out completely).  

That field could easily be in the trojan of a gas giant. That would have the effect of putting the node at a lagrange point.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Trivial Psychic

I'm believing that it was a species before them that created the nodes, 'cause why would the Ancients then have to create a massive device to stabalize a collapsed node?  Why not create a new one that doesn't need a Knossos to sustain it?  Even Bosch himself surmised that the Shivans had destroyed species that predated the Ancients.  If the Ancients created subspace nodes, how did the Shivans attack those species with no jumpnodes to get around with?

Maybe the Knossos does stabilize jump nodes. Remember in FS2, although the Knossos was destroyed, the Shivans were still able to come through.

Perhaps the Knossos was a tool the Ancients used to explore star systems using unstable nodes. They set up the little spinny things at the proper locations, turn it on, they start spinning and stabilize the jump node. Then if they don't find anything, they can turn off the Knossos, it stops spinning, and they can pack it up and go check out other nodes.

But the effect might be only temporary unless the Knossos is used for an extended period of time.

Maybe the Knossos even makes jumps take less power, allowing extremely long distance jumps such as the one to the nebula, which is why they were used.

This could explain why no other Knossos devices have been discovered in well-traveled systems. The Ancients continued exploring; they set up a Knossos and reached the nebula. Then they set up a couple more, expanding.
Meanwhile, in other border systems, they were doing the same thing, setting up Knossos devices to facilitate expansion.
Then they met the Shivans with their newest set of Knossoses and started losing battles. They shut down the Knossos devices but didn't have the time or reason to pack them up, being in a fight for their lives. Finally, all the Knossos devices were de-activated in an attempt to lock the Shivans out of the 'home systems'.
Unfortunately, the nodes were still temporarily stabilized and the Shivans continued onward, eventually exterminating the Ancients. By that time, though, the temporary portals had destabiized again, and the Lucifer fleet was stuck in our corner of the galaxy.

The nodes that are left are basically the core of the Ancients' node network, as all the others have destabilized from the outside in, having had no Knossos device to keep them stable for some millenia. (The Shivans may have even destroyed some to keep the Ancients from escaping.)

[FireCrack]

Hmm, come to think of it, the freespace 2 knosos stabilised the node in a rather short time, a week probably. Then it was estimated it would remain open for hundreds of years.

hmm.

[aldo_14]

I'd don't think the Ancients created subspace.  I think the nodes are far, far older than that.................

[WMCoolmon]

*eye flicks to aldo's avatar*

I would've agreed with you. But after that explanation, I'm not so sure. I made such a compelling argument...

[aldo_14]

My avatar?

[Goober5000]

Whoa!  Good update.

[Charismatic]

Just a faint possibility. If the shivans were traped on our side of space. Maby we killed the last of them, drained all of them with FS2. Besides the few Sathys.

Also maby the sathys that jumped didnt make it out, casue they used too much power to lite the sun on fire, so they all died?
Faint possibility~

Whats IIRC?

The ancients had to be somewhat causious. The data that we retrived from the only remaining ancient planet, was said to be guarded by boobie traps. (hehe) What kind- anyone know?

Also, what defences did they have around their knossos and nodes? If their exploring they knew they gona meet new races, thus you would have protection. Right?
Maby there is a control that was destoryed, infront of each knossos? Or maby inside the spiny things, theirs a pannel that can be reached to shut it down, or to turn on defences? Or put up a forcefield which may have been built into the knossos?

Most of us agree, from what i understand, that the K.'s have a good power supply, and as said, when used from the other side, they use less of their power( the caps) cauzse of the knossos helps with the power necessity.
How did the knossos get its power? Generator or solar powered?

Any word on what the ancients looked like or the extent of their empire?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Charismatic
Just a faint possibility. If the shivans were traped on our side of space. Maby we killed the last of them, drained all of them with FS2. Besides the few Sathys.

Also maby the sathys that jumped didnt make it out, casue they used too much power to lite the sun on fire, so they all died?
Faint possibility~
 

I doubt it; no race would commit all its resources if there was the chance it would be wiped out as a result.  A race intending to supernova a star would make sure they had an exit strategy planned.

Originally posted by Charismatic
[BWhats IIRC? [/B]

IIRC it's If I Remember Correctly

Originally posted by Charismatic
JThe ancients had to be somewhat causious. The data that we retrived from the only remaining ancient planet, was said to be guarded by boobie traps. (hehe) What kind- anyone know?

It wasn't booby trapped; it was 'heavily defended'.  Probably in a bunker-type structure (possibly underground, the planet had been glassed by the Shivans); it's unlikely IMO there were active weapons, though, because it was a group of scientists who found it (i.e. not trained to defeat or subvert weaponry)

Originally posted by Charismatic
JAlso, what defences did they have around their knossos and nodes? If their exploring they knew they gona meet new races, thus you would have protection. Right?
Maby there is a control that was destoryed, infront of each knossos? Or maby inside the spiny things, theirs a pannel that can be reached to shut it down, or to turn on defences? Or put up a forcefield which may have been built into the knossos?

The ancients had protection, though.  It was a fleet of warships they had used to subjugate other races.  It's wasn't enough.

Originally posted by Charismatic
Most of us agree, from what i understand, that the K.'s have a good power supply, and as said, when used from the other side, they use less of their power( the caps) cauzse of the knossos helps with the power necessity.
How did the knossos get its power? Generator or solar powered?

My guess would be it feeds of subspace energy itself; once, of course, after Bosch had used the Trinity to jump-start it.

Originally posted by Charismatic
Any word on what the ancients looked like or the extent of their empire?

The ancients empire was vast; far larger than the GTVAs current territory.

[TrashMan]

I've seen shivan/terran/vasudan fighters jumping in trough subspace nodes alongside warships.

Now, we all know that system-system jumpdrives are hard to produce, state of the art thing and only SOC have those (sometimes).

the only thing that can explain the fighters jumping in is that a warship creates a field around itself that allows nearby fighters to jump too....
That, or simply that [V] blew it....

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon


This could explain why no other Knossos devices have been discovered in well-traveled systems. The Ancients continued exploring; they set up a Knossos and reached the nebula. Then they set up a couple more, expanding.

Something tells me there wasn't a nebula in that system when the Anciants came. The Shivans prolly supernovad the sun, waxing anything the Anciants had there - colones, ship, stations, planets...

[Eishtmo]

Originally posted by TrashMan
Something tells me there wasn't a nebula in that system when the Anciants came. The Shivans prolly supernovad the sun, waxing anything the Anciants had there - colones, ship, stations, planets...

That something is probably wrong.  If it was right, then there probably wouldn't be a second Knossos in the nebula.

[Charismatic]

Btw thank you all for answering all of my questions (i hope they are good and not anoying you all, pm me if they are).

From what i hear, the A. were bigger, far bigger then the S.
The A. seems to be highly advanced at the time, and the S., from way before FS1, you can imagine, no shields, bad fighters just like us. So if thats all true, how the Hell did the A. loose to the S.? Were the S. too numerous?

Here is a idea that.. i bet many have not thought.

What if..

The Ancients created the Shivans. They made them, and kept advanceing them. Finally they got out of control, and defeated the A. from the inside or something.
-I see this as highly possible. Thus everything is in perspective (my perspective). Bah, i dont feel like re stateing my perspectives.

[Carl]

Originally posted by Charismatic

Here is a idea that.. i bet many have not thought.

What if..

The Ancients created the Shivans. They made them, and kept advanceing them. Finally they got out of control, and defeated the A. from the inside or something.

it's funny because you presented as if it was a new idea no one had thought of, but in reality it's probably one of the oldest theories on the shivans that has been around for years, discussed hundreds of times, and is disproven by the FS1 cutscenes where the ancient voice over says they don't know where they came from.