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Reply #100 on: December 29, 2004, 01:14:43 pm
Really? That'd be cool - I'll be on the island where the city of Medan is located, probably working with the 7th Day Adventist church there in rescue operations. I'll be there from this Sunday for a week. Don't ask if a guy by the name of "Sandwich" is around, though. ;)

Anyway, here's an article specifically about the affect the quake may have had on the rotation and tilt of the Earth. Awesome stuff (in a "I am filled with awe" way, not a "whoa, that's sooo cool" way). :p
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Reply #101 on: December 29, 2004, 01:38:40 pm
That is, indeed, Awesome.  What's more Awesome is the fact that it took an energy release as massive as the quake(not The Quake) to alter it as much as it did.  BTW, does anyone know where I could find out how much energy is associated with the various Richter values?  The scale is logarithmic so a 9.0 is very large indeed.

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 The energy released by an earthquake follows a logarithmic type relation: log(E)=5.24+1.44M where E is the energy release in Joules.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Mathematics/geomath/logsnb/logeg2.html
http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity.html

If an 8.0's energy release  is equivlent to a 6 nuke then a 9.0 is equal to a 60 megaton nuke.  Holy Smokes!!!
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Reply #102 on: December 29, 2004, 02:30:38 pm
That doesn't sound right at all. The initial news reports on the quake compared it to a thousand (million? I don't recall...) A-bombs, IIRC - and that was when it was still thought to have been an 8.3 quake or so.

And aren't there nukes or H-bombs in the gigaton range?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #103 on: December 29, 2004, 02:32:22 pm
The Russians have/had a 0,9GT bomb, IIRC. But that was too large to be practical.
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Reply #104 on: December 29, 2004, 02:38:15 pm
it was originally to be 100 megaton but they scaled it down...

http://www.zvis.com/nuclear/showexpinfo.shtml?data/tzar.dat
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Reply #105 on: December 29, 2004, 03:18:51 pm
Yeah, here we go... it was merely an estimation, though:

[q]How powerful? By some estimates, it was equal to detonating a million atomic bombs.[/q]
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #106 on: December 29, 2004, 03:43:19 pm
Wow, in Holland alone people have donated roughly 4,000,000 USD in 2 days. :eek: I am so proud to be part of this country right now.

I donated €50 btw.
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Reply #107 on: December 29, 2004, 03:44:06 pm
You do realize that a Gigaton is 1000 times a megaton right?  The most powerful deployed weapon is in the 45 megaton range, IIRC.  Anything larger and you're talking about regional destruction not city level(assuming you ignore the radiation)
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Reply #108 on: December 29, 2004, 03:51:11 pm
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You do realize that a Gigaton is 1000 times a megaton right?  The most powerful deployed weapon is in the 45 megaton range, IIRC.  Anything larger and you're talking about regional destruction not city level(assuming you ignore the radiation)


Yeah, I guess I was remembering the ratings on SW's turbolasers and ST's phasers/photorps. :p Still, that CNN article had estimation of it being a million a-bomb power quake. :eek:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #109 on: December 29, 2004, 03:55:18 pm
That would roughly be 15 gigatons.
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Reply #110 on: December 29, 2004, 04:31:15 pm
lol no i won't go around asking people "have you seen 'sandwich'?"

i'll let you know if i end up going though, and vice-versa :D
  

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Reply #111 on: December 29, 2004, 05:05:41 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
That is, indeed, Awesome.  What's more Awesome is the fact that it took an energy release as massive as the quake(not The Quake) to alter it as much as it did.  BTW, does anyone know where I could find out how much energy is associated with the various Richter values?  The scale is logarithmic so a 9.0 is very large indeed.

*update*
n/m

 The energy released by an earthquake follows a logarithmic type relation: log(E)=5.24+1.44M where E is the energy release in Joules.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Mathematics/geomath/logsnb/logeg2.html
http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity.html

If an 8.0's energy release  is equivlent to a 6 nuke then a 9.0 is equal to a 60 megaton nuke.  Holy Smokes!!!


It was mark 9.0 on the movement and not richter scale, though (according to wikipedia;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale )
 

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Reply #112 on: December 29, 2004, 06:12:42 pm
I heard 60 Gigatons
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Reply #113 on: December 29, 2004, 08:35:20 pm
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http://www.compfused.com/directlink/527/


THX Rictor!  I will have to watch it when I get home thouhg, the site is blocked at work...
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Reply #114 on: December 29, 2004, 08:56:18 pm
That video is highly disturbing.
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Reply #115 on: December 29, 2004, 09:03:30 pm
I'm wondering why the guy is just calmly filming it, rather than fleeing for his life. But I guess you can't really do much in that type of situation except hope for the best. What surprised me was the speed at which the water level rose. It must have gone up a good 5 meters in a minute or so. One second the water level is below the house and the next you have the room half full with water. Scary stuff.
 

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Reply #116 on: December 29, 2004, 09:50:03 pm
Agreed. Kind of puts the WTC attack into perspective, doesn't it? Death toll now predicted to exceed 100, 000.

Did you see George Bush at that press conference though? Smug prick...
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Reply #117 on: December 29, 2004, 11:07:26 pm
Like Lib said, it will probably hit 150,000 and beyond, when/if the dieseses start spreading. The governements and aid agencies are doing their best to prevent it, but I don't think its altogether avoidable.
 

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Reply #118 on: December 29, 2004, 11:37:45 pm
pyro don't make this political please.
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The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
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Reply #119 on: December 30, 2004, 12:09:00 am
I wasn't trying to, and I apologise if it seemed that way. I won't say any more here. People who want to know can PM me for more info. :)

This kind of event is horrible, because we are entirely powerless as a species to prevent it from happening. We think that we're so advanced, that we can do what we like and get our own way most of the time, but then the world decides to land something like this on us, and we realise how small we really are.
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