[Taristin]

If I were able to purchase my CD's they'd be from Nippon Crown, so Screw you AOL/Time-Warner!

[.::Tin Can::.]

Didn't you guys hear about the couple of guys planning to dump a couple million AOL Trial Disks on the lawn of Time Warner?

[Solatar]

Heard about that a while back...I have to say I support it fully.

[pyro-manic]

Definitely. I'd love to see their faces when the earthmover truck pulls up outside....

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Solatar
I think they want ALL CDs to have this on them.

*hugs iTunes*

Compressed formats (like MP3, not as much OGG, but still) just aren't as good as CD recordings; there's an easily noticeable difference until you get to 192 kbps or so with a good encoder and decoder.

But when CDs cost $20 a piece, and oftentimes have one really good song and 8 or 9 bad ones, it's just not worth it. I'd rather wait for that one good song to come onto the radio. (And good luck getting me to pay for a song without hearing it at all, if you think the solution is to not put songs on the radio then.)

And I don't believe this crap about how the internet is deeply cutting into CD sales. Without the internet, I'd guess at least half the people wouldn't be buying any CDs at all, while the other half would be buying maybe one or two a month on average. And at the same time filesharing's popularity is growing, so are CD players. You can probably (I haven't looked, I admit) buy a compact CD player for the same cost or less than the cost of a new Backstreet Boys CD. (Which is pretty sad when you think about it).

Yup, looks like you can. It has a radio tuner too: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3056293&cat=4534&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A172481%3A3983%3A4534

[IceFire]

These people are morons.  They've slowed down the people who want the music in electronic format (at any cost) by approximately 15 seconds.  They've spent millions on sophisticated copy protection techniques and technologies that can be defeated by using the simplest of audio equipment or computer equipment.  Morons...utter utter morons.

The only people they are sticking it to right now is Apple, Creative, and anyone else who makes a portable MP3 player.  I for the record buy CDs...and lots of them.  These people have labled everyone as a pirate and a thieves and I am insulted by the recording industry at large.  They are recationary, incacluating, cold, and they require an entirely new strategy for dealing with this problem....one that is progressive, targeted, and sensible and it can be done through a number of initiatives to restructure the entire industry to deal with the digital age.  Right now, they are still living in the 60s...the takeover of modern, electronic, on demand distribution systems are here.  People will pay...if it is easy, simple, cheap, and they know that the benefits are going to the creators of the music...

I point the finger no further than the iTunes store...

[Solatar]

I admit, I wouldn't have bought any of the CDs I have now had a few of my friends shown me a Metallica song a few years back.

I have all my CDs ripped to my computer just because the quality loss isn't bad at all (I do use 128kbps though) and I hate switching out CDs. I use itunes sometimes to get single songs when I don't want to buy the entire album.

I agree...if CDs didn't cost $20 (on average) sales would get better most likely.

Most CDs I buy don't have the "one song is good, rest are crap" problem though, go metal (might be 'cause a lot of them sound almost the same..but go figure..)

EDIT: ...what Icefire said...

[Ford Prefect]

The only people they are sticking it to right now is Apple, Creative, and anyone else who makes a portable MP3 player. I for the record buy CDs...and lots of them. These people have labled everyone as a pirate and a thieves and I am insulted by the recording industry at large. They are recationary, incacluating, cold, and they require an entirely new strategy for dealing with this problem....one that is progressive, targeted, and sensible and it can be done through a number of initiatives to restructure the entire industry to deal with the digital age. Right now, they are still living in the 60s...the takeover of modern, electronic, on demand distribution systems are here. People will pay...if it is easy, simple, cheap, and they know that the benefits are going to the creators of the music...

I point the finger no further than the iTunes store...

Hear hear!

[pyro-manic]

Heheh, I've just ordered the new Enslaved album on limited edition vinyl. :thepimp: Like to see someone try and copy-protect one of those...

I always buy music on cd or vinyl rather than download it - I prefer having something tangible like a cd or record, with liner notes and lyrics etc, to a file on my hard disk. I do buy lots of music, and as Icefire said, the big companies are now treating everyone like potential criminals by doing this to their published music. I don't like that one bit. Perhaps if they priced cds reasonably, then they'd sell more. Another idea would be to stop chain stores from adding such a massive profit margin to records. For example, I saw Iron Maiden's "Powerslave" - an album from 1985 (so it's not a new release) that lasts about 40 minutes - on sale for £16.99 in the Cardiff branch of Virgin Megastore a few weeks ago. £16.99!!! I paid less than that for their last live record (Rock In Rio, a double cd album with over 2 hours of music) in my local independant record shop the week it was released. It's a huge rip off...

[Ford Prefect]

I think iTunes actually includes liner notes with their album downloads. I'm not sure; I've never dowloaded anything from them.

[pyro-manic]

Meh - it's not the same. I want something I can hold and flick through as I listen...

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Flipside
http://www.vnunet.com/news/1128540

According to the creator of CD's, the new copy protection systems being used by Time Warner/AOL etc, have the potential to destroy audio equipment and CD players.....

Yet ANOTHER example of pirated versions working better than the locked-up, overpriced legal versions.


Besides, all people need to do is just put it into their computer, run some software they found off the internet for cracking the copy protection, burn it to a new cd, and voila.

[vyper]

Start million dollar industry selling music online for download;

Scare people into thinking new CDs will damage their hardware;

Profits++;

[Clave]

Wait, this copy protection prevents you from even RIPPING the CDs?! That's the stupidest **** I ever heard! Everything I put on my iPod is ripped from CDs that I buy!

Same here....

Could be time to buy up a load of cheap, back catalogue faves, before this kicks in, then switch to iTMS for future purchases.

[Flipside]

One question that occurs.... if you took the 'projected' sales loss for Time Warner through Piracy, at production cost, and then subtracted the production cost of all the AOL demo discs they pump out each year that don't get used (which are the same CDR's) I wonder how much would be left?

[SadisticSid]

This is extremely old news (note the date on the article), and it doesn't look as if anyone's been enforcing the 'no copy-protected CD is allowed to use the Compact Disc logo'.

But as far as this sort of thing goes I can foresee a limited lifespan for copy protection as a whole. It doesn't work in most cases, is never foolproof, and MP3 players don't support anything like it any more because you can just drag and drop files on them using any old OS.