[aldo_14]

Ravanas have fighters & jumpdrives.

Oh, and incidentally; listen to monologue 4. Specifically the emphasis he puts on the 'Vasudan' part when saying
"As a young pilot I battled against the rebels of the great war, the Galactic Terran Intelligence whose research of shivan technology and biology would form the cornerstone of my project. The Terran-Vasudan alliance buried this knowledge but I resurrected it."

It's a heavy, contemptuous emphasis... like he blames the Vasudans for something.....

[dan87uk]

Originally posted by Singh
I think Bosch offered himself....study mono 3. The Ravana is trailing the Iceni at a distance, but yet not firing upon it. This is odd, to say the least, as the destroyer fired upon all other vessel immediately after spotting them....yet it knew, and it simply followed....as if knowing he was onboard....were they waiting for him?

Could it be that ETAK attracted their attention way before it was activated?

I'll answer the rest of LS's points a bit later...

Precisely, Bosch either attracted there attention with somthing, perhaps like a breadcrumbs trail just for the shivans to pick up, then once they detected ETAK abord they were impressed or intruiged as to what they have abord and decided to shadow them rather than engage

[aldo_14]

Interesting thing 2: look at the symbolism in mono2; (I think...) a new star is forming by 'swallowing' up the matter of another - is this what Bosch is trying to achieve?

[Fergus]

Perhaps it was deliberate, Bosch had the Shivans lock the GTVA into thier own space.  He managed to find something in the Ancients archievs about 'something'.  Perhaps the millions he refers to are those who will die in Capella, but again, we arn't able to get any deffinite answers (which is probably for the best)

[dan87uk]

that is an interesting point aldo, i never thought of it that way before....but now you mention it its kind of plausable, although i always thought it was a black hole before drawing from the sun?

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Ravanas have fighters & jumpdrives.

The Iceni has jumpdrives too, which it could use to escape from both the destroyer and the destroyer's fighters. And we've never seen a ship canonically make a "tactical"-scale jump, so they might not be possible. The Ravana can't close to engage or launch fighters without spooking and possibly losing its prey, so it trails and calls in somebody else to do the job.

The Iceni outrunning it and the Shivans not attacking because of the transmissions are not necessarily mutually exculsive, either.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by dan87uk
that is an interesting point aldo, i never thought of it that way before....but now you mention it its kind of plausable, although i always thought it was a black hole before drawing from the sun?

I'm not sure.  Looking at it, IMO it's closer to a protostar; also, the only pictures (mocked up, obviously) I can find of a black hole shows them as being a black disk or sphere.

( http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=black%20hole&hl=en&lr=&safe=of**client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi)

Originally posted by ngtm1r


The Iceni has jumpdrives too, which it could use to escape from both the destroyer and the destroyer's fighters. And we've never seen a ship canonically make a "tactical"-scale jump, so they might not be possible. The Ravana can't close to engage or launch fighters without spooking and possibly losing its prey, so it trails and calls in somebody else to do the job.

The Iceni outrunning it and the Shivans not attacking because of the transmissions are not necessarily mutually exculsive, either.

That depends on the definition of 'tactical scale' jump.  Ships can definately jump in very close to an enemy ship to attack; just look at the Colosssus' appearance.  If it was a recon 'chase', why use such a large ship?  Why not a fighter wing or a Moloch?

[Ghostavo]

Black holes are spheric if they have no rotation or they are spheric with a slight alongation in the "equator" if they rotate.

A fighter wing should be able to jump at least near a capital ship. When persuing the Iceni, one of your wingmen says something along the lines of "Command gave us the wrong coordinates" and the distance to the Iceni was, unless I'm mistaken, less than 6Km.

[dan87uk]

yes but when a black hole comes in close proximity to a sun then it has the effect of drawing the light and causes the sun to slowly shed its layers towards it, the black hole cant take it all at once so the swirl is created in the black hole's gravametric pattern

[Cyker]

I had this theory that the Shivans are from a different 'dimension', for want of a better term, and that being aliens, we can assume they think differently.

I also figured they are attracted to subspace disturbances, in the way Sandworms in Dune are attracted to vibrations caused by people crossing the desert.
In the beginning of the GTA, these subspace 'vibrations' would not be enough to attract them, but once lots of systems start being colonised and subspace travel became more common, the increasing strength of the vibrations would have been noticed by them.

As for Capella - Clearly they are harnessing something about it - Maybe it's energy? - To transport themselves back to their own dimension, or something along those lines; Why else would they sacrifice half their Sathanas fleet to do so?
If they just wanted to trash the Capella system, they would have had more than enough Sathanas ships to do so and would have likely lost a lot less ships.

[Singh]

These in particular, are the scenes im talking about:



observe in the highlighted corner the red beam.

Now, for a different picture, unfortunately its pretty bad quality so i apologize in advance.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by dan87uk
that is an interesting point aldo, i never thought of it that way before....but now you mention it its kind of plausable, although i always thought it was a black hole before drawing from the sun?

What you're seeing in the 2nd monologue is a white dwarf (an older nearly used up star) feeding off of a yellow giant (a fairly old star in the last days before it too becomes a white dwarf).

When a white dwarf feeds too heavily on its companion star it can cause the white dwarf to supernova.


There you go guys. Draw what symbolism you can from that

[dan87uk]

lol perhaps it was coincidence, or perhaps bosch had a heads up of what was going to happen then?

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by ngtm1r


The Iceni has jumpdrives too, which it could use to escape from both the destroyer and the destroyer's fighters. And we've never seen a ship canonically make a "tactical"-scale jump, so they might not be possible. The Ravana can't close to engage or launch fighters without spooking and possibly losing its prey, so it trails and calls in somebody else to do the job.

The Iceni outrunning it and the Shivans not attacking because of the transmissions are not necessarily mutually exculsive, either.

Listen at what Bosch is saying while the Ravana is after it. It doesn't sound as he is running from anyone.
He is somewhat shakein in his belief, but that cutscene never gave me the impression of Bosch running from the Ravana. He came to FIND the shivans.

[Fergus]

Originally posted by Cyker
I also figured they are attracted to subspace disturbances, in the way Sandworms in Dune are attracted to vibrations caused by people crossing the desert.
In the beginning of the GTA, these subspace 'vibrations' would not be enough to attract them, but once lots of systems start being colonised and subspace travel became more common, the increasing strength of the vibrations would have been noticed by them.

That's pretty much what I always believed the Shivans were.  Not a 'civilised' stellar race as we would imagine it (Planets, bases, trade, etc.), but part of a 'natural' cycle of destruction.  Bosch somehow knew how to stop it, possibly.  However, why did he then have Romig open up the Knossos portal? The loss of that access point doesn't neccesitate the blocking off of all Shivans (Ross 128 as an example).  Course there is flaws with all arguments, except of course the reason (if any), that there was going to be given in you-know-what.

[Charismatic]

Why are the screnshots in lower quality? Can anyone get a higher qual, scrennie for me?

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Charismatic
Why are the screnshots in lower quality? Can anyone get a higher qual, scrennie for me?

Why dont you just try watching them yourself instead of being lazy?

[Lightspeed]

Bosch opened the the Knossos to actually lure the Shivans Back to GTVA space.

Originally posted by Singh
These in particular, are the scenes im talking about:



observe in the highlighted corner the red beam.

Now, for a different picture, unfortunately its pretty bad quality so i apologize in advance.

#1: Yes, it's a beam firing at the exploding capital ship in thw background. It is partly covered by the shockwave and the Moloch, though. The ship firing the beam is attacked by a Deimos.

#2: The beam is still firing, but not hitting anything anymore as the ship blew up. This matches the in-game behaviour of beam turrets that keep shooting blank space after a ship exploded.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Bosch opened the the Knossos to actually lure the Shivans Back to GTVA space.
 

Or he opened it to contact them, unconcerned over whether the consequence was a new war.  Arguably. both are the same thing.

[Singh]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Bosch opened the the Knossos to actually lure the Shivans Back to GTVA space.



#1: Yes, it's a beam firing at the exploding capital ship in thw background. It is partly covered by the shockwave and the Moloch, though. The ship firing the beam is attacked by a Deimos.

#2: The beam is still firing, but not hitting anything anymore as the ship blew up. This matches the in-game behaviour of beam turrets that keep shooting blank space after a ship exploded.

Yes. But look at the origin of the beam. It appears in those two pics that a shivan beam is hitting another shivan vessel, while a GTVA vessel appears to be attacking it and giving the other shivan vessel cover....