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Offline an0n

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Interesting Thought.....
Do you think, in the years to come - as artificial intelligence becomes more advanced and machines get smarter and smarter - that the rallying call for the inevitable rebellion in the more human-centric areas of the world (*cough*Redneck / Bible Belt*cough*) will be based around the fact that machines were the first to land on another world?

I mean, there will come a point when the machines begin to mark their own developments and achievements. I wonder how important the Spirit and Opportunity will be, in their cold, red, unwaivering eyes......
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Yeah, but then they'd just go in with their laser-beam optics and pointless flying squid creatures and scorch the area ;)

 

Offline Rictor

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One things for sure, you won't live long enough to find out. Think on that while lasers are raining down on wherever it is that you live (presumably not in Keira Knightely).

Anyone remember Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future?

 

Offline Janos

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When the situation is dire, call for... Asimov!
lol wtf

 

Offline Liberator

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Re: Interesting Thought.....
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Originally posted by an0n
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I resent the implication you limey bugger.

There is nothing inherent to the human form that is central to sentience.  If machines do ever become sentient, I assure you that it will not be because of any design element of man's.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Re: Re: Interesting Thought.....
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Originally posted by Liberator


I resent the implication you limey bugger.

There is nothing inherent to the human form that is central to sentience.  If machines do ever become sentient, I assure you that it will not be because of any design element of man's.


More likely that than anything else.

 

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'You Limey Bugger'

LOL!!

Well done! :D

 

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Offline Genryu

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Originally posted by Rictor
Anyone remember Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future? [/B]


Isn't that the show with the CG ennemy with a=so much poly that you can count them on your fingers and a few toes ?:D
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Offline Rictor

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Sure is.

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I assure you that it will not be because of any design element of man's

How else could it ever happen? Most likely not "design element" but "lack of design element", but its still man made.

 

Offline Night Hammer

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a monkey is gonna take a dump in a robots head, and by doing so create a sinapse in the "robot brain" that a human scientist could never do?

i dunno.....:nervous:
« Last Edit: January 12, 2005, 05:03:58 pm by 156 »
Stop... Hammertime :hammer:

 

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Funny thing is, Asimov didn't write 'I Robot', it was originally a short story about a Robot called Adam Link, by Eando Binder. This is confirmed, btw, in the introduction of 'The Complete Robot' by Mr Asimov himself ;) He used the title again though his own book is by no means a copy of the storyline as far as I know :)

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Originally posted by Flipside
Funny thing is, Asimov didn't write 'I Robot', it was originally a short story about a Robot called Adam Link, by Eando Binder. This is confirmed, btw, in the introduction of 'The Complete Robot' by Mr Asimov himself ;) He used the title again though his own book is by no means a copy of the storyline as far as I know :)


Wait. I thought 'I, Robot' was a book of Short Stories by Asimov? With Robbie, Dr. Calvin, etc etc?

Or is there another I,Robot? :confused:

Edit: Oh, and to respond to the thread/Lib...

I think it is possible for robots to turn on humans, even without being 'sentient'. Say you define an integrated robot. You give it moods - some things make it angry, some things make it happy. The various moods exist only as variables, but they affect other variables. Perhaps if the robot is angry it will do work slower, or not at all. And it will work to get rid of objects which it annoy it more often (ie get in the way).
Of course, you'd have to give it some sort of list of things it could do to get rid of things, probably a good physics engine so it could move around and move objects efficiently. If you add 'break object' to its get rid of list, and then get the robot angry enough, perhaps it will break you? It wouldn't be for any more advanced reason than a preprogrammed reaction.

Not only that, but the mood states would give a fairly good simulation of intelligence with a good enough parsing system and the ability to simulate emotions and hold grudges.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2005, 06:30:48 pm by 374 »
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Offline Flipside

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There was previous one, by the same title, Isaac Asimov names it as one of the books that inspired him to start writing Robot books that weren't 'clank clank aaaargh!', as he put it :)

I think the copyright reached the old 50-year limit, back when that meant anything, and Isaac decided to re-use the title.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Aaaahhhh.

Was the I, Robot movie based on that first book then?
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Offline Flipside

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I'm not certain to be honest with you, I've never been able to get my hands on the book :( And I still haven't gotten round to watching the movie either.

Doesn't it have Asimov's name all over the posters though? I can't remember? Seems a bit odd to make a movie of Asimov's I,Robot, it'd play like 'The Twilight Zone'...

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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I saw it - and enjoyed it - but it clearly wasn't Asimov. It had more action, and human vs. robot action, than you'll find in Asimov's books.

There were references (US Robotics, the three laws, Dr. Calvin) but they seemed more references to Asimov than taken from any specific story.
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Ah... I see.... one of those movies....

:Koff: :Koff: War of the Worlds :Koff:

Oh well, I expect I'll watch it at some point, and probably enjoy it regardless :)

 

Offline Liberator

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Originally posted by Rictor
Sure is.


How else could it ever happen? Most likely not "design element" but "lack of design element", but its still man made.


My point was this:

Creation of sentience is above Man's ability.

beyond genetic technologies, beyond cloning, that is God's domain.

We cannot create sentience, only, perhaps, provide a vessel for it.  I can see a time when Man will be able to transfer his conciousness into a machine(although anyone that does this would no longer be technically human, and the definition of "alive" would have to be rewritten, and then there's the whole "core/arm" thing).  But, no matter how advanced the processing array or complex the programming routine, it is simply beyond Man's capability to create a sentient machine.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline dan87uk

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i agree with liberator, of course i still like to speculate and i have an open mind, but until im proved wrong i agree with lib
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