[Grey Wolf]

There is no reason it has to be a linear progression. Actually, the data supports an exponential progression. Most likely, the barrier of agriculture was the most important block, which took many years to achieve, but set us on the exponential path we followed.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
And that my friend, is the problem with man. You may be telling me today that evolution is true, but tommorow you could be telling me that aliens planted us on Earth.

Thats ok.  We adapt to that new reality...it happens

I mean, at one point I thought Santa Claus was real (gosh I hope we have no youngins here), but it turns out he's a corporate icon for Coca-Cola.  Reality changed...works for me.  Maybe not for all?

Keep up the good elements of this thread and cut out the rest please.  Its not getting locked just yet because I see some good discussion going on.

[ksw walker]

God’s

creation reveals his eternal power and divine nature, His invisible qualities. ROM 1:20



Creation Declares God’s eternal power and his divine nature
If we would only be still and listen with the heart not the ears
We would know the creation of the world was just a breath


God’s eternal Power can be something to behold or to fear
The choice is ours we’re either for or against his eternal Power
He created the world with just words it will end with a bang

God’s divine nature is to create and love his little children
If we read his word we would realize He looks out for us
In times of trouble we can go to God who is our Father


The word of God isn't man written. The word of God or as you call it the Bible is spirit written. God's word cannot be understood unless you have faith. To try and understand God's word without faith would be foolish. Another thing that is foolish is mocking God's word.
Proverbs 19:29
Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools.  

But despite your mocking Jesus still loves you.

jdjtcagle is my friend and Brother in Christ

[Night Hammer]

[Scuddie]

Ummm...  Wow.

I believe in the Faith, and I follow it fairly tightly.  However, your amount of belief borders on the lines of irrational thought.  Here's something I can suggest.  Watch the movie Dogma, then compare your faith to the movie.  Can you tell me which one is closer to what Faith should be?  I would have given up on Christianity if I had not seen that movie.  Not because of the atheists or agnostics, but because of ridiculous thoughts like those.

I would post more, but I am just too agrivated to see that people like that are so common.  Good bye, HLP.  It's been fun.  See ya tommorrow, I have to get some sleep (big day tommorrow).

EDIT:  Oh, and do NOT take the Bible at face value.  EVER!!  The bible is deeper than that.

[Bobboau]

jdjtcagle, ok, are you just screwing around? becase if you'r not just kidding with all of this and you are some sort of evangelist I'll be happy to walk you through evolution, weather you beleive it or not it would be in your best interest to understand how it works, even if only to better your atacks against it, wich by the way are so poor and cliched I'm haveing a hard time beleiveing that they are not just a sarcastic joke.

BTW, if you are kidding around and you want to continue the fun PM me and I'll just play along.

[edit]oh, hey look there was a second page

Hi jdjtcagle's bible trolling alter ego!

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by WeatherOp



Ok, let me add this. The population on the Earth has doubled or tripled over the past thousand or so years. If they didn't know how to farm the would starve, and over 64,000 years don't you think that they would have multipled too?

This may be what's confusing you, the population on the Earth hasn't doubled or tripled over the course of the past thousands of years, it has doubled or tripled over the course of half a century!

[vyper]

Yes yes, all thanks to increased knowledge about food, health etc.

As for this nonsense about folk leaving over an argument like this? To probably quote the Apostles on Jesus' post-nailed appearance: WTF?!

Are you really that weak you cannot tolerate other peoples beliefs that you have to walk away from an entire gaming community?

[Janos]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
And that my friend, is the problem with man. You may be telling me today that evolution is true, but tommorow you could be telling me that aliens planted us on Earth.

... of course, those things do not contradict each other at slightest, but whatever.

Edit for reduced assholeness: Evolutionary theory as itself takes no position on how life on Earth has started. It only deals with what we have so far observed and prooved - that is, evolution.

[jpheu]

Originally posted by Raa
ohhhh Stop it.

Evolution is not satan. There's nothing saying Evolution isn't God's plan, if you wanted to believe that. Your bible was written by man, and you can't provide me a single fact that proves CREATIONISM right. Whereas, there are dozens of proofs for evolution that you people choose to ignore.

Hi yall,
Raa, I'll chalange you.  Where's your proofs of evolution?  I'll agree that there is no proof of creation, in the scientific sence, but last time I checked a proof must be reproduceable.  When was the last time you made something evolve.  Both creation and evolutin are just theories.

Janos,
You too.
Where's your poof?

[vyper]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28disambiguation%29

Check the last item on the page. WTF.

[Janos]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
But, the thing that don't fit is that they had 64,000 years to get smarter, if you look over the last 6 to 8 thousand years, we have come so fast. And if that was the case, than that means somebody would have woke up one morning and said" Hey I'm gonna build this and this and this. Why didn't it happen sooner? If you would add it up, and 64,000 years ago, we started avancing like we have in the past 6,000 or so. We would have devoloped LS or subspace and we would have huge cruisers flying thru space. I really don't know about that far. Too much FS.


Well, good night all.

uhhhhh
That's really confusing, but I try to give it one shot.

First, cultural heritage and cultural evolution - memetics. This is basically passing on learned traits and habits, but not on genome level. Your family, teacher or Bob from the neighbouring ghetto teaches you to read, someone else teaches you to ride a bicycle, someone teaches you to shoot an MK-19 AGL, whatever. These things pass along the generations really fast and well; some of the mathematics we study in high school were university level just a couple of centuries ago. Most people have basic understanding about nuclear reactions and stuff, even though it's very new invention.
Cultural evolution is a huge mess, but it's not unique to humans and is actually quite common in fauna. Even oystercatchers - birds, and not very advanced birds - have learned habits. Sea otters have them, peregrine falcons have them, quite a few primates have them. However, it requires pretty sophisticated brain system and capability to learn. Cultural evolution is usually highly advantageus (sp) in evolutionary standards, that is, such a habit will quickly spread through entire population because it gives such a huge bonus to everyday lives.  

Then we have the huge increase in human population (which Ghostavo addressed), large brainmass of your average Homo sapiens, mediocre lifespan and tendency to travel a lot. These, when combined with cultural evolution, create quite an unique combination: an extremely adaptative, highly dispersive and intelligent species with ability to pass on learned traits, with high reproduction rate and a sudden big change in habits a few thousand years ago (switchin to agricultural lifestyle).

However, cultural evolution requires that someone actually invents something that is really beneficial, and the Big Changes are not that that common anyways. Also, notice that the entire world has only pretty recently (last couple hundred of years) become so well-connected that information passes really quickly.

uhh I can address more points but now I am tired. This post propably has gross mistakes somewhere.

[Janos]

Originally posted by jpheu


Hi yall,
Raa, I'll chalange you.  Where's your proofs of evolution?  I'll agree that there is no proof of creation, in the scientific sence, but last time I checked a proof must be reproduceable.  When was the last time you made something evolve.  Both creation and evolutin are just theories.

YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT AAAARGH

Theory in scientific language means something that is as close to fact as one can get. Read it. Understand it. Then come back and say that again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
Creation is not even a hypothesis. It's a guesswork. Nothing supports it.

As for your "evolution has not been proved", lol: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910.html

[jpheu]

Janos,
Are you reading your own links?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html
Says:
Nothing in the real world can be proved with absolute certainty.
(I would disagree with this, for mathematics then goes out the window and what about the Laws of science.)
Then it goes on to expalin a more evedentiary explination of proof.  The evedentairy explination is the type they use in court.
If were going to use this proof then we need to way the evidence some of which was presented in the scopes trial.

Also your definition of theory dosn't fly with the link you posted.
Your link says:
"A theory has to be something which is in some way testable; for example, one can theorize that an apple will fall when dropped, and then drop an apple, to see what happens."

Then neither Evolution or Creation is a theory.  They are even less.
Your link does quote Stephen Hawking which is a great definition of theory.

[Janos]

Originally posted by jpheu
Janos,
Are you reading your own links?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html
Says:
Nothing in the real world can be proved with absolute certainty.
(I would disagree with this, for mathematics then goes out the window and what about the Laws of science.)

[/b]
You could read the links again.
 

Then it goes on to expalin a more evedentiary explination of proof.  The evedentairy explination is the type they use in court.
If were going to use this proof then we need to way the evidence some of which was presented in the scopes trial.

And this somehow disproves evolutionary theory.. how? What kind of experience would you like to have? And you can present the proof as well. Or debunk the theory. One correct finding is enough to either completely debunk it or cause significant corrections in it.

Also your definition of theory dosn't fly with the link you posted.
Your link says:
"A theory has to be something which is in some way testable; for example, one can theorize that an apple will fall when dropped, and then drop an apple, to see what happens."

Then neither Evolution or Creation is a theory.  They are even less.
Your link does quote Stephen Hawking which is a great definition of theory. [/B]

It has been tested, several times.

[Scuddie]

Ofcourse evolution cannot be proven.  Nothing can.  Secondary mathematics still havent been proven, but does that mean you dont see the results are always identical day by day?  Saying evolution is pure horse manure is like saying mathematics is horse manure, on the basis that science has not found a way to identify non-finite numbers.  0.999x does not equal 1, but it cannot be distinguished from 1 either.  There are some things that logic cannot explain.  That doesnt make it incorrect, however.

Oh, BTW evolution by adaptation is the key.  If you look at the art of several eons ago, you'd see that many human features look more ape-like than is seen in todays generation.  That implies that our species have changed since then.  However, since we dont have a time machine, we cant go back and prove it.  It's difficult to go any further than that, as we do not have the logic to sustain anything further.

Nothing can ever be proven, no matter what.

[WeatherOp]

Let me ask a question, it says

" Ontogeny (embryology and developmental biology) gives information about the historical pathway of an organism's evolution. For example, whales and many snakes develop hind limbs as embryos which are reabsorbed before birth"

Ok, now lets say that snake devolped one leg or lets say two and he kept it when he was born. How would have he survived? Snakes depend on speed and stealth. With two big back legs he would have trouble even moving, how could he be quick enough to catch that mouse or such. In one word, he couldn't he would end up food for some hawk, or other snake that DIDN'T have back legs.


And I have also herd of that bats evoloved from rats, that the grew long front toenails and slow devoloped skin on those toenails.  How could he survive? He would end up food for a Snake with no legs.


And that is the problem with evolution, these "mid" evoloving animals would have died far before they could reproduce. And transfer the gene.

[jpheu]

Originally posted by Janos


 
It has been tested, several times. [/B]

Where and when has evolution been reproduced?  That is the test it must undergo.

[Zarax]

Ladies and gentlemen here we have the results of a decade where education founds were cut and the mass-media took parentage.
I won't even try to enter into this senseless "creationism vs evolutionism" fray.
Just go and read Darwin, it's less spectacular and entertaining than many other sources but makes more sense.
If humanity is approaching such a decline (twenty years ago people would just have laughed at this) then all i can feel is pity and concern.
Just remember that school and church have different purposes kids, and education is part of the former, while the latter is designed to provide spiritual comfort.
You don't ask an artist to teach you psichology, do you?

Admins, i really think it's time to close such threads and regulate the matter just like you did with political ones some time ago.
We don't want to ruin the primary function of this exemplary community, do we?

[Scuddie]

I already said evolution by adaption, WeatherOp.  But thank you for upstaging me