[Swamp_Thing]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6873772/

What´s up with these people??
"I don´t like my work, so i´ll just rearrange the work place a little bit. Bright red."

[Clave]

I'm never going to America again...

[Ransom]

I'm never going to America at all.

[Turambar]

screw you guys, i have to live here

[Swamp_Thing]

Move to Canada. It´s the same shiit, but with a diferent aroma.

[Clave]

Yeah, I approve of Canada in general terms....

[Nico]

Police also said he had strapped a stuffed animal to the back of his neck.

mmghnhuh?

[Flipside]

It's at stages like this you start to realise where a Union might be useful.

Seriously though, this seems to be becoming more and more a habit, particuarly in the US. I'm not sure what the working conditions are in the US, I know you are not allowed to take a single days holiday in your first year of employment in some places, and that your holiday leave is less than most of Europe. I think workers rights are not too well represented either.

Putting the horror of this to one side, could it be that American workers are feeling the only route they can take is to take matters into their own hands?

Theres a massive gap between staff and managers in the US, larger than any other country pay-wise. ..

It's an interesting problem... and it's growing.

[Thrilla]

Originally posted by Flipside
It's at stages like this you start to realise where a Union might be useful.

Seriously though, this seems to be becoming more and more a habit, particuarly in the US. I'm not sure what the working conditions are in the US, I know you are not allowed to take a single days holiday in your first year of employment in some places, and that your holiday leave is less than most of Europe. I think workers rights are not too well represented either.


 

I see you've really never worked here in a plant.  LOL!  You might have few days leave at the start than most Europeans, but  you get paid vacation days in your first year.  Workers rights are represented.  I'd never work in one without being part of the union either.

[Flipside]

Well, my experience is limited to be honest, to one friend and one friends' brother, one lives in Ohio, the other in Florida, so yes, I may well have a complete misconception of American employee law

[TopAce]

I do not understand what are in such people's minds. If I am to commit suicide because of a problem, I wll only stab myself into the heart instead of killing 2 people and THEN only myself.

[Nuke]

ive only had 3 jobs ranging from very free to total tyrrany. oddly the tyranical job paid the most. pawnshop, did ebay for them. i couldnt even take a piss without getting yelled at. we did have an ocasional weed break (like 4 a day). it paid pretty well, unfortunately i spent it all on weed. then my first job, buildiong computers, it was fun and cool and i got away with of crap. paid really little considering how technical the work was. geeks are a dime a dozen theese days. both of them were big workers rights violators. my current job pays commission only but i make my own hours and i dont have to answer to anyone locally. on ocasion my boss in oregon calls and tells me i screwed up on the paperwork but thsts it. i get paid anywhere between 11 an 15 bucks an hour, depending on my output. no violations and im picking up a few buisness skills.

[Jetmech Jr.]

I'm the one who actually has to LIVE in Ohio with these wackos.

[Unknown Target]

The funny thing about the US is that it's a lot like fifty seperate countries. They all follow the same basic rules, but each state is completely different from the next. The only thing that keeps them from being a bunch of loosely affiliated nation-states is the fact that they have a federal government.

If you hate the policies and actions of the conservatives, just move to a liberal state, and visa-versa.

[Swamp_Thing]

Does anyone believe that stuff like this would go on as frequently as it does, if guns were banned/controlled?
I mean, we have workers going postal, students shooting other students (Kent State, Columbine, etc), snipers in the streets, drive-by shootings with Uzis, bank robberies by a bunch of friggin human tanks with armour up to wazzoo (east hollywood bank job),  etc etc. How much of this would happen if the US had a better gun control?
Just as comparison, my country has the same number of violent deaths in a year as the US has in a day.
Anyone care to share with the forum their views on gun control?

[Dark_4ce]

Guns are overated. They do more harm then good, but I don't think a nation wide ban would accomplish anything. Good gun control and licensing will. now how that can be achieved, I have no idea. Go figure.

[Clave]

UK has the strictest gun control laws in the world.  

There is about one tenth of the gun crime that there is in the US, so I'd say it was partly successful (taking the population difference into account)  

Our killers tend to be worse in some ways - more sneaky - Harold Shipman killed 250 people for example (he was a doctor in various old peoples homes)  

Peter Sutcliffe killed and mutilated 13 prostitutes.

Myra Hindley and her boyfriend tortured and killed 4 children AND recorded it on tape

But we also have (rare) gun massacres - Michael Ryan killed 15 at Hungerford in 1987.  He was an inadequate loner from a very early and and began collecting guns as soon as he could afford them.  And finally just went nuts for no apparent reason.  There is a (very) full story of Hungerford and Ryan here: http://www.jeremyjosephs.com/hunger.htm It goes into a lot of detail about the whole sorry mess...

[NGTM-1R]

The criminals will always have guns, bans or not.

Simple example about the benefits of an armed population: the crime rate in the Western US during the 1800s, with the exception of saloon shootings (guns+drinking=bad) was actually remarkably low. This is because pretty much the entire population owned a weapon and knew how to use it, and if you tried to commit a crime you were very likely to get shot and killed in the process. Most types of theft were much less attractive under these circumstances. And the recivdivism rate was next to nil for much the same reason.

Would this be the case today? Probably not. But it's interesting.

[Dark_4ce]

Eeh, grim stuff...

[Clave]

Oh yeah, the criminals will always be able to get guns, but if there are less around, then that should reduce the available supply (maybe)  Plus is would greatly reduce the accidental shootings and the gun club members that go psycho (rare I'll admit)

The days of the 'Wild West' are long gone, so maybe it is time to get restrictive....?