[Ashrak]

what i meant is all the weather anomalies are coming more often ... these past 2 years iv seen like 5 or 6?! while before i saw almost none

[icespeed]

blame the media. we've got more of the worthless parasites now, and fewer true journalists who actually report something newsworthy.

[karajorma]

Changing weather patterns are simply the effects of global warming and global dimming

[WeatherOp]

Originally posted by Clave
I think I said this before, but Krakatoa is overdue another eruption.  It exploded and destroyed itself in 1883, but has been rebuilding and is nearly back to it's former height of 2,000 feet.

Some stuff from the last time:

So great, too, was the ejective force that the fine volcanic dust was blown up to a height of fifty thousand feet, or over nine miles, into space. Another estimate gives the enormous altitude of seventeen miles to which the dust had been blown. The volcanic ash, which fell upon the neighboring islands within a circle of nine and one half miles radius, was from sixty-five to one hundred and thirty feet thick.

At that time, also, the shepherds on the Victoria plains, West Australia, thought they heard the firing of heavy artillery, at a spot one thousand seven hundred miles distant. At midnight, August 26th, the people of Daly Waters, South Australia, were aroused by what they thought was the blasting of a rock, a sound which lasted a few minutes. "The time and other circumstances show that here again was Krakatoa heard, this time at the enormous distance of two thousand and twenty-three miles."

A wave from fifty to seventy-two feet high arose and swept with resistless fury upon the shores each side of the straits. The destruction to life and property will probably never be fully known. At least thirty-six thousand lives were lost

On Monday morning, about two o'clock, the heavy cloud suddenly broke up, and finally disappeared, but when the sun rose it was found that a tract of country extending from Point Capucine to the south as far as Negery Passoerang, to the north and west, and covering an area of about fifty square miles, had entirely disappeared.

The power of the eruption was roughly equivilent to 21,000 nuclear bombs....

I remember when they talked about St. Helens last year and they said that it might erupt huge.  But, the thing nobody looks at, is that its brother Mt. Ranier is far more powerful and that it is 10 or so miles from of the major citys up there. A small eruption could cover those areas with 50 feet of mud.

Originally posted by karajorma
Changing weather patterns are simply the effects of global warming and global dimming

I've never really herd of that, but global warming, I hear that all the time. Maybe I need to look into that, might be interesting.

[Killfrenzy]

Originally posted by Raa
Hell, how long had Pompeii been inactive/dormant before it erupted?

I think you'll find it was Vesuvius that was inactive. It's a bit difficult for a bustling Roman city to be 'inactive.'

[karajorma]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
I've never really herd of that, but global warming, I hear that all the time. Maybe I need to look into that, might be interesting.

I hadn't heard of it until that horizon a couple of weeks back either. The science behind it seems pretty accurate though and if they are correct then everyone's estimates of how bad global warming is are all lower than they should have been.

[Rictor]

Damnit, I want some good news for a change!! I wan't to see a headline that reads:

"World's leading scientists in agreement: don't sweat it guys, there's really nothing to worry about."

[Flipside]

Actually, have you ever read up on the Gaia theory?

The theory goes that if there is an imbalance in one part of the Earths' Ecosystem, another system will be affected by that change in such a way as to correct the problem. A few examples were given such as Carbon Dioxide replacement etc, and in some cases, it does seem as though the Earth has an 'Ideal' biosphere which it will naturally tend towards.

[Dark_4ce]

Yeah theres been rather akward weather lately. Right after the Tsunami in fact. Here in Finland we had flooding. Really BAD flooding. The park infront of my house was totally flooded, since I live next to the sea. It had risen and totally engulfed most of it. I noticed it when I was taking my dogs out at night, then "splash splash" I look up and see the park benches almost submerged and the sea where the trail used to be. Then two weeks ago I saw a giant meteor fly past my house. Now an earthquake in Estonia? Crazy.

Though I read somewhere that the Earthquake in the indian ocean acutally shifted the earth's orbit or something. Making it spin faster as well, and have a shorter day. They said it wouldn't affect anything, that the north pole only shifted by an inch, but I think in global standards thats quite a bit. And with the crazy stuff we've been seeing of late, I guess it could all be connected.

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by Liberator
I was taught that the End Times will come as a theif in the night and no one will know the hour of their coming.

The best thing, IMO. If we get scientists bringing portents of doom, then there'll be looting and pillaging and raping and all kinds of nasty **** going on (more so than usual I mean ). That's why I think that if there was some catastrophic event going to occur that some scientist already knows about, the world's governments would keep it quiet to avoid total anarchy.

karajorma & WeatherOp: I saw that programme as well. Very interesting. It'd explain why Europe has had such a jump in temperatures in recent years. Recent Horizon episodes have tended to be a bit on the melodramatic side, though, so It's probably not quite as calamitous (sp?) as it made out...

Stupid question: As Horizon and the like are public service broadcasts, what's their policy on filesharing and the like? And can you get copies of the programmes from the Beeb?

[Flipside]

Nahhhh... Horizon is still sensation led stuff. The Earthquake didn't shift the Earths orbit in the slightest, remember, it was nothing strength-wise, even compared to the one in Japan not that long ago, and my brother was practically on top of that when it happened.

The Tsunami was a terrible thing, I'll agree, but it was a fluke side-affect of the Earthquake, most underwater Earthquakes barely get noticed, and trust me, there are quite a lot of them.

I remember there was an Earthquake in the UK about 8 years ago, and everyone thought Scotland was going to fall into the Sea or something equally stupid.

It's easy to fall into the trap of 'The End is Near', every generation has done it since the dawn of mankind, we all secretly believe the Universe will end when we die anyway, so why should we care?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
karajorma & WeatherOp: I saw that programme as well. Very interesting. It'd explain why Europe has had such a jump in temperatures in recent years. Recent Horizon episodes have tended to be a bit on the melodramatic side, though, so It's probably not quite as calamitous (sp?) as it made out...

Stupid question: As Horizon and the like are public service broadcasts, what's their policy on filesharing and the like? And can you get copies of the programmes from the Beeb?

I don't know but I imagine they're fairly lenient with regards to it.  They are certainly willing to put up transcripts of the entire show online.

I know that horizon tend to push the worst case senario (They're a TV show and it's nice to get ratings) but I tend to think they've got a handle on it. They've been making programmes on the greenhouse effect for over 20 years and the science has been pretty accurate so far. (While Channel 4 actually showed a program proving that global warming didn't exist 10 years ago. How much you want to bet that they hope no one remembers seeing it? ).  

I don't know if they are making it out to be worse than it will be but IIRC the Permian Extinction was set off by a 5 degree temperature change. That's about half of what the program suggested may happen.

[InfernoGod]

The planet is ****ed? You say that it's ****ed. Just because there are tsunamis and stuff, doesn't mean that we are about to die. Now, if we really we're ****ed, there would be a Sathanas currently charging up it's four BFReds and about to shoot the E- *looks up and sees a Sathanas*
****.

[WeatherOp]

Originally posted by karajorma


I hadn't heard of it until that horizon a couple of weeks back either. The science behind it seems pretty accurate though and if they are correct then everyone's estimates of how bad global warming is are all lower than they should have been.

Yeah, read that a few months ago. They found that man is not the main cause of GW and that it isn't nearly as bad as they said. Those tree huggers got the rug jerked right out underneth e'm. Allthough I do agree that we need to take more care of our forests and rivers.


And when I said "tree huggers" I ment those that would rather shoot me, than cut down a tree.

[Black Wolf]

They found that man is not the main cause of GW and that it isn't nearly as bad as they said.

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Wow. What a shock. I wish people would start listening to the geologists once in awhile - this might not have come as such a surprise...

[karajorma]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
Yeah, read that a few months ago. They found that man is not the main cause of GW and that it isn't nearly as bad as they said. Those tree huggers got the rug jerked right out underneth e'm. Allthough I do agree that we need to take more care of our forests and rivers.


And when I said "tree huggers" I ment those that would rather shoot me, than cut down a tree.

How could you miss the point so completely??? Global warming is  worse than they predicted. The simple fact is that air pollution was preventing the sunlight from getting through to the ground and this was masking the effects of GW by making the world cooler than it otherwise would have been.

Ironically the various clean air laws etc have actually cleaned this pollution up which means that we're getting stronger GW than was anticipated.

As for mankind not being the cause of GW where did you read that? It wasn't anywhere in the link I gave you.

[WeatherOp]

No, I think I got it off the NOAA site, or ether ABC 33/40 can't remember.

And it was kinda shocking to me too. Maybe, I can find it.


*EDIT: Here it is.
Global Warming Bombshell


It basicly says global warming could be....normal.

[pyro-manic]

Global warming is normal up to a point. The problem is all the **** we're churning out is adding to it.

[WeatherOp]

Agreed, even if the stuff we throw up there don't make Global Warming any worse. It is still not good for us.

[karajorma]

The report you link to doesn't say that global warming is normal, that it's not man made or anything of the sort.

All it does is call into question the methodology of one of the ways a trend was measured. It's not like that graph is the only evidence of global warming.