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Offline Ashrak

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anyone ealse think so? ... tsunamis snowstorms waterfloods and now there was an earthquake in estonia of all places friggin hell first one in 3 decades.
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I dunno. These things do happen.  Hell, how long had Pompeii been inactive/dormant before it erupted? And then, I'm sure people were saying "The world is ending! It's a sign!"
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Well, I know that can't be true, but I had the same thought a while a ago.

After watching "The day after Tomorrow", that is. ;)
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Same as it's always been, in terms of geological events. Earth is a rather volatile planet...

In terms of weather, yes there has been a rather unusual turn to the extreme in the past 15 years or so. It's probably normal climate change, but we may well be adding to it and increasing the severity/rapidity of the change. Hard to tell since we only have records for the recent past. Either way, we're in for some hard times in the near future....
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It's probably normal climate change, but we may well be adding to it and increasing the severity/rapidity of the change.


then again, way also may be easing it.
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Well, yes, at some point or the other, the Earth gets buggered, like all of us really. Hopefully, whatever causes it will wait long enough for us to be able to either stop it, or get the hell out the way when it happens.

Thing is, we aren't exactly sure about anything meteorolgical, and we're even doubting what we thought we know about Geology, so while we know the Earth is a lot more complex than we originally concieved, complex does not always mean delicate.

 

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you guys don't think that the severe sun storms of last halloween has anything to do with changing our current weather?  No sarcasm, i am actually asking.  How far reaching are the effects of solar storms of that magnitude?  We had Aurora Borealis here in Texas.  That was freaky.  

If some of our weather can be attributed to that, we can now look at the disasters that are hitting.  We know that the earthquake caused the tsunami, right?  Well, it would seem to me, that if the quake were a bullet, and the earth is a human body, the entry wound isn't the only damage done.  Could the disasters since the big quake and the tsunami be the Earth still reeling from the impact of those?  I would think that anything powerful to make a planet wobble would have a fairly sizeable number of aftershocks and side effects.

I haven't studied any of this, so none of this is based in fact, just conjecture.
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Well, the whole 'Ring of Fire' is starting to show a lot of activity at the momenrt, and 83 year old Japanese friend of mine says the Dragon of the Earth is angry at us, so mind how you go with the Kango ;)

Earthquakes and the like ring through the planet like a bell, even through the liquid core. We actually know a lot about the shape and contents of the centre of the Earth from listening to the echoes.

The reason for this appears the be that the core of the planet is getting slightly warmer. It's a cycle, as it liquifies, it loses friction and cools a few degrees, once it cools, it has a lot more friction and warms up again, it takes hundreds of thousands of years.

As to what can be done about it, not sure exactly. I don't know if our activities above the ground are amplifying or delaying the effects. All that can be said is that each 'Seismic Cycle' is slightly weaker than the last.

As for the Sunstorms, yes, they can affect weather patterns, high levels of magnetic radiation entering our atmosphere can cause turbulent weather, I think. WeatherOp may be able to confirm/disprove this.

 

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anyone ealse think so? ... tsunamis snowstorms waterfloods and now there was an earthquake in estonia of all places friggin hell first one in 3 decades.

These things are a natural process.  The last couple of centuries were pretty good for the human race and the change in the environment is actually what helped the population boom in Europe and the beginnings of the industrial revolution.  The weather changes....there have been palm trees in the arctic circle.  The Earth has also at least once between a giant iceball.

There is a natural cycle to the planet...a yearly cycle or a 10,000 year cycle...it does its thing.  The Earth is truly fascinating to me for that reason...its a shifting system, it accomodates change and its designed to change.  Its not static and science is teaching us how different the Earth has been at different times in the past.  In the future it can certainly be changed again.

The problem with human polution then?
- It introduces factors into the Earths evolution and natural change that aren't normally present.
- The Earth hasn't always been a friendly place for humans to live.  If we change the way it works, it may still work and bear life...but it may not be condusive to humans.

The recent collection of events...its part of the process.  Its going to happen in some order no matter what we do.  Its still the ultimate power over us even when we try and fly in the face of it.

As for the earthquake and tsunami...there's been a bunch that have happened over the last 100 years. Its not like its unheard of.  Its just that this time it was in a populated area and we have the world media watching.  The last time it happened in this region around 100 years ago it likely killed just as many people and flattened the same towns and affected the same areas but with no media.  But its a good place to live for alot of people and the towns will be rebuilt and the people will be back...until the next time.  BTW: If you read about the earthquakes power and its impact on the rotation of the planet...the difference is so small its not measureable.  The Earth evidently changes its angle on axis by several inches (if I'm remembering correctly) every rotation...meanwhile, the earthquake caused a small fraction of that amount in variation.  Its not a revelation...its a scientific curiosity.
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
you guys don't think that the severe sun storms of last halloween has anything to do with changing our current weather?  No sarcasm, i am actually asking.  How far reaching are the effects of solar storms of that magnitude?  We had Aurora Borealis here in Texas.  That was freaky.  

If some of our weather can be attributed to that, we can now look at the disasters that are hitting.  We know that the earthquake caused the tsunami, right?  Well, it would seem to me, that if the quake were a bullet, and the earth is a human body, the entry wound isn't the only damage done.  Could the disasters since the big quake and the tsunami be the Earth still reeling from the impact of those?  I would think that anything powerful to make a planet wobble would have a fairly sizeable number of aftershocks and side effects.

I haven't studied any of this, so none of this is based in fact, just conjecture.



I don't think sunstorms could effect the Earth's weather, since it is  mostly magnetic.I don't know for sure, and you could probley check and get a better anwser. Now it could have caused the Aurora Borealis as far south as Texas.

Now, an Earthquake is better shown as a bone braking than a bullet, since it is the strain of the plates. Now a earthquake can eventully effect the Weather. If in turn it causes a Volcano, that erupts and sends ash in the air. It all depends on how much ash is ejected, and the change would be in the form of tempature, that might cause bigger snowstorms and such.
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I think I said this before, but Krakatoa is overdue another eruption.  It exploded and destroyed itself in 1883, but has been rebuilding and is nearly back to it's former height of 2,000 feet.

Some stuff from the last time:

So great, too, was the ejective force that the fine volcanic dust was blown up to a height of fifty thousand feet, or over nine miles, into space. Another estimate gives the enormous altitude of seventeen miles to which the dust had been blown. The volcanic ash, which fell upon the neighboring islands within a circle of nine and one half miles radius, was from sixty-five to one hundred and thirty feet thick.

At that time, also, the shepherds on the Victoria plains, West Australia, thought they heard the firing of heavy artillery, at a spot one thousand seven hundred miles distant. At midnight, August 26th, the people of Daly Waters, South Australia, were aroused by what they thought was the blasting of a rock, a sound which lasted a few minutes. "The time and other circumstances show that here again was Krakatoa heard, this time at the enormous distance of two thousand and twenty-three miles."

A wave from fifty to seventy-two feet high arose and swept with resistless fury upon the shores each side of the straits. The destruction to life and property will probably never be fully known. At least thirty-six thousand lives were lost

On Monday morning, about two o'clock, the heavy cloud suddenly broke up, and finally disappeared, but when the sun rose it was found that a tract of country extending from Point Capucine to the south as far as Negery Passoerang, to the north and west, and covering an area of about fifty square miles, had entirely disappeared.

The power of the eruption was roughly equivilent to 21,000 nuclear bombs....
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the worlds not ****ed, its the people who inhabit it that are screwy :D
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The Earth has been extremely quiet the last few centuries.  Here are a few things to consider.

It's cooler now than it was in the Middle Ages.

Yellowstone(yes the park) is overdue by almost 50,000 years for an eruption.  When it blows, the Midwest, indeed much of the US and parts of Canada, are toast and it'll be nuclear winter type conditions just about everywhere else.

The sun is becoming more active, and anything that happens on the sun affects the Earth.  When you say they're mostly magnetic, you completely leave out the scale.  There have been flares recently large enough to turn Earth into a cinder.

I was taught that the End Times will come as a theif in the night and no one will know the hour of their coming.

Thing like the weather and tectonic activity are not becoming more active, they are returning to a previous level of activity, we can expect the number of natural disaters to increase in coming years, I think.
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It's cyclic.  We've just never seen this before. So everyone freaks out... IMO, anyway...
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The Earth has been extremely quiet the last few centuries.  Here are a few things to consider.

It's cooler now than it was in the Middle Ages.

Yellowstone(yes the park) is overdue by almost 50,000 years for an eruption.  When it blows, the Midwest, indeed much of the US and parts of Canada, are toast and it'll be nuclear winter type conditions just about everywhere else.

The sun is becoming more active, and anything that happens on the sun affects the Earth.  When you say they're mostly magnetic, you completely leave out the scale.  There have been flares recently large enough to turn Earth into a cinder.

I was taught that the End Times will come as a theif in the night and no one will know the hour of their coming.

Thing like the weather and tectonic activity are not becoming more active, they are returning to a previous level of activity, we can expect the number of natural disaters to increase in coming years, I think.

How is a bunch of charged particles going to turn the Earth into a cinder?  The solar flares going on, by the time they get to us, are relatively harmless to whatevers going on down here.  Because of the Earths magnetosphere which essentially protects us from the suns eruptions...the northern lights are caused by the impact of the charged particles on the magnetic "shield" as it were.

There is some thought that solar activity can impact conditions on Earth but only over a gradual period of time.  A slightly more active period of the sun will not immediately or significantly have an impact...thats what they say.
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It's cooler now than it was in the Middle Ages.


It's warmer, actually.
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Strangely IceFire, I was under the impression that the only thing preventing this mudball from becoming a frozen mudball had a very large impact of the weather, internal forces or no, this planet is the temperature it is thanks to the sun.  If it burps, you get rain in the Gobi, or an ice storm in south Georgia.  The weather, and even the tidal forces under you're feet are all driven, part and parcel, by that giant blowtorch 93,000,000 miles from here. Without it, this planet would be a frozen chunk of iron and ice with a few percentages of rarer elements.
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i always feel like humans are too arrogant. who says the earth is screwed? so the weather changes, and as a result there's an extinction of a primate species. then another species will rise up to the dubious honour of sapience. (assuming evolution, of course).

besides, it only seems like the weather's getting worse because we're living now. if we lived in the time of noah's flood we'd probably be thinking the earth is getting a bit dodgy, too. it's like wars, people always think now is a time of violence and we get all these random soothsayers saying that the end of days is near. well, i wouldn't know about that, but wars have been happening since the beginning, so i wouldn't use them as a time stick. same with weather and earthquakes and things.
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