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Offline Liberator

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
When you save the Hinton, which I've done several times, it's course intersects with the Iceni at the node with all the crashing you'd expect such an event to bring, it very rarely survives ramming the Iceni repeatedly to jump out.  It actually quite funny to hear Snipes complain about losing the Hinton when there are no hostiles around.
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Offline Fragrag

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
That SOC mission was actually easy for me, I just didn't do anything, as I didn't want command screaming at me for killing several Vasudans, I just destroyed the asteroids and then it jumped, I only restarted when Snipes got killed
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Offline Kie99

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ROFLMAO
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Offline TrashMan

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
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Originally posted by Stunaep


Funny that, I always figured Argonautica to be the harder mission.  Not because it was impossible to defend the Aquitaine or anything, but I always kept getting killed in that one.  Too much flying near the damn corvette with dragons on your tail.  The Molocs AoE missiles are killers. In Proving Grounds you never had to get close to the corvette, unless you wanted that secondary objective.


I tend to arm myself with Trebs and Tempests. They take care of bombers and Moloch's most annoying turrets rather fast.
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Offline Mongoose

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
Oh, I swear at a lot of inanimate objects. :p

I did finally get the mission right today; I just had a lucky run of killing every turret on its first fly-by.  In a previous attempt, I got greedy and tried to go for the flak, only to wind up plastered across half the galaxy by the Sathanas jumping out. :p  As for the Beleth, I discovered that it's remarkably easy if you simply order all of your wingmen to destroy it; as long as you take down the one dangerous beam cannon quickly enough, the thing is toast in about a minute.  What's unusual, though, is that if you don't take down all three main beam turrets (on either side at the front and on top) before the thing is destroyed, the secondary objective "Destroy Beleth beam cannons" doesn't get satisfied; wouldn't taking out the whole ship also entail killing its beam cannons? :p

 

Offline Krackers87

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
You dont fly  at a precise angel, you fly AT the sath for best acuracy, another thing you leave the bombers to do their already assigned buisness and the fightewrs you tell to attack all enemys, but ignore sath.

Wait to call in reinforcements till the demon arrives and I have managed to destroy all but 1 beam cannon on several occasions.


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Offline WMCoolmon

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I always fired from inside the spokes. Where the flak cannon was shooting up my arse.
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Offline FireCrack

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
The bottom ones you can kill form the sides, but not the top. The top ones i find are best killed from the inside and the top (so on top of 'the basket') When killing the top ones try to aim for the little red band that comes because the texture is so huge.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline Kie99

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
I find that, if you destroy 2+ beam turrets on the Sath and then jump out before the Beleth and Thebes arrive, you can advance to the next mission with no mention of the Beleth.
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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
Here's something ironic:

I play out Bearbaiting and get ALL of the beam cannons on the Sathanas.  The Sath never even fires a shot off at the Colossus (AAA fire at me, however, naturally).  Somehow, despite the fact that nothing even gets within 3 kilometers of the ship, the Colouss is at 80% for the next command briefing.

What the hell did they do, run it through an asteroid field for the hell of it?!
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
There's an event the sabotages the Colossus' hull strength I think. That's what I saw happen, anyways. I had it targeted, and right after the Sathanas blew up its hull integrity suddenly dropped for no apparent reason.
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Offline Kie99

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That would be the debris
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Offline Blaise Russel

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"Well, well. Killer debris. Woulda liked to have seen that."

 

Offline Mongoose

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
Well, I just finished up the campaign again, and I have to say that, besides the always-awesome "Into the Lion's Den," I think that my two favorite missions are the last two, "Clash of the Titans II" and...well..."Really big sun 'splosion" :p.  (I've never been able to remember that one's name, but I somehow think you know what I'm talking about. :p) In these two missions, more than ever before, you really get a sense of how overwhelming the Shivans are.  When trying to protect the Bastion, the Shivans are throwing bomber wings at you left and right, all of them armed with Helioses.  (And let me just say that those Nahemas are seriously fast.) By the end of that one, I had one Aeolus left at 11%, and the Bastion itself was all the way down to 5% by virtue of a last-second Helios.   Then, the thing decides to start spinning around in the node itself in order to properly orient itself. :p  I was relieved to get out of it with 92% hull integrity; at one time in the past, I ended it at 25%, and I had to replay it since I kept getting killed in the final mission. :p

That final mission, though, takes the cake for being overwhelmed.  You've got 20 or so allied transports, freighters, medical ships, cruisers, corvettes, etc. at any given time that need protecting.  The Shivans are simply throwing bomber wings at you, along with a few cruisers; at one point, they send in two Cains at once.  Even before you here about the supernova, you're absolutely guaranteed to lose some escort ships.  The best part about this mission is, no matter how many ships you lose, it doesn't matter.  Hell, you yourself can die at the end, and you'll still get the ending cutscene.  That's what makes this mission so great; you're not the all-powerful Alpha One here, you're just one lowly fighter being overwhelmed.  You have to accept casualties; you have to live with the fact that you can't save every ship.  This is especially true at the end, when you look out and see the 20 or so ships that have no hope of making it to the node in time.  This mission, more than any other, really touches on the realities of fighting in a war.

One final note:  if you're more than about 3000 meters away from that node when all hell breaks loose, you haven't got a prayer.  Having played through it previously is a huge advantage, as you know about when to start your run on the node.  As for your wingmen...ah, just leave 'em behind. :p

P.S. I know this has been discussed to death, but the mission "Their Finest Hour" has some serious design flaws.  The allied "fleet" consists of two cruisers and one corvette, none of which have had "beam-free-all" applied to them.  They're almost useless against the Shivan capital ships, which you and your wings have to take out almost single-handedly.  The only way to get the Perseus/Boanerges reinforcements from the Colossus is to get Beta wing completely killed.  As for the Big C itself, even though its engines show up as disabled, Command still yells at it to evacuate, and its captain refuses, even as the ship is decimated.  Hate to tell you, buddy, but even if you had tried to jump, you wouldn't get very far. :p Another funny bit is that the Sathanas usually manages to cut off about half of the Colossus's last words; "Hurry up and die already!" :p

 

Offline Goober5000

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Originally posted by Mongoose
One final note:  if you're more than about 3000 meters away from that node when all hell breaks loose, you haven't got a prayer.  Having played through it previously is a huge advantage, as you know about when to start your run on the node.  As for your wingmen...ah, just leave 'em behind. :p
That reminds me of a hilarious moment that happened the last time I played the main campaign:

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Command: "Capella has gone supernova!  Repeat, Capella has gone supernova!  You must get to the Vega node and engage your jump drives now!"
Wingman: "Disengaging now for repair!"


That's about the worst possible time to call in support. :p Not only that, but the poor support ship pilot gets nailed too. :p

 

Offline Hippo

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Wow... I'm suprised that this many people had trouble with bearbating... I can get everything done on easy every time, and occasionally on Hard. Never had much trouble.
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Offline karajorma

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Originally posted by Mongoose
In these two missions, more than ever before, you really get a sense of how overwhelming the Shivans are.  


With the exception of anything with Snipes in it my favourite comments in the game is in the Bastion Mission.

"We're hurting, sir. They've sent in every damn fighter and bomber in the Shivan armada!"
"What class of bombers, Beta?"
"Nephilum. Seraphim. Nahemas. You name it."
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Originally posted by kietotheworld
That would be the debris


I was between the Colossus and the Sathanas when the Sath blew. I was watching the Colossus because I was trying to get screenshots of it firing its beams.

No debris smacked into me (I would have died) and no debris went past me.

Examining the mission in FRED, though, I find no event. But I'm certain it wasn't debris...
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Why I despise "Bearbaiting"...
I think he was referring to his own hull integrity.
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