[Fury]

I despise dubbing as well, can't understand germans in that regard at all.

I've found interesting that many people who actually speak english natively have worse spelling and grammar than those who do not speak english natively.

And no, I'm not speaking of Bobboau exclusively.

[mitac]

Originally posted by Tiara
*looks at the Germans and spits at them for ruining perfectly good shows*

Polish TV is worse, and so are other stations in eastern europe. They're dubbing entire movies with one voice actor. Right, the same person for every single word that's spoken. Plus, it's more like reading a book, very monotonous.

From that point of view, I'm pretty happy with our dubbing.

[kasperl]

T: Groep 7, but only a few schools actually bother fulfilling the requirements. Secondary schools have on hell of a time working the kids back up to a normal level at the end of the freshmen year.  

Anyway, my English comes from computer usage, TV, music, and mostly experience. If someone bothers to look up my oldest posts here, well, you'll see that there's been some improvement along the way.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by kasperl
T: Groep 7, but only a few schools actually bother fulfilling the requirements. Secondary schools have on hell of a time working the kids back up to a normal level at the end of the freshmen year.  

[/b]
I got English at groep 4 And most people I know, including my own students, also started with Englishes courses around groep 4 to 7.

[kode]

Originally posted by Night Hammer
Ive noticed we have a lot of people from nonenglish speaking countries. How are yall so good at typing it and all that? Is it pretty widely taught or what?

I'd say anyone younger than ~75 knows english to some degree. if you're in the academic world, you _need_ to be fluent in it. english's like a second native language to me (at least the reading/writing is, I tend to speak it in riddles). they teach it in school from the age of 10 up to the levels where you can choose exactly what you want to study (uni level, that is). of course they teach it at uni too, only you don't have to.

all non-swedish programs are subbed, except the kiddie shows, because they're usually german and we dub that crap.

when I get kids I'll **** them up socially by only talking in english to them.

[Nico]

Originally posted by kode


I'd say anyone younger than ~75 knows english to some degree. if you're in the academic world, you _need_ to be fluent in it.  

you're dreaming for the first point, and you're wrong for the second. Why do you NEED to know english? Why would the thousand million people in the world who are teachers, artisans or whatever would need to be fluent in english? I don't think France is particularly retarded in regard to foreign langauges ( darn, now they teach english in primary school, and plan to extend that to a second language ), but I think at least 4 out of 5 people here are not able to understand a word when they're listening to an english speaker. Coz most just don't bother, since, heh, they won't need it.

[Primus]

They start teaching english in 3rd grade here at my country..
But the best english teacher is TV and music, especially rap music

[vyper]

And the arrogance of the French makes me like Yanks more each day...

Sorry, couldn't resist. *leaves thread*

[Flipside]

Thing is, we need a common language, it's part of building a common identity. I wouldn't really have minded if it wasn't English, but I'll admit, it makes my life easier

Just as England has it's problem with Immigration and absorbing the fact that the world isn't the divided place it used to be (instad, it's the divided place it is now) so will other countries have to let go of similar 'centralisms' if we are to have any hope of building relations with each other.

[kode]

Originally posted by Nico

 Why do you NEED to know english?  

well, I suppose you don't have to understand course litterature for one?
85% of it is in english over here. I guess I just foolishly assumed people actually read their course litterature, just because I do.
100% of the final papers are in english.

satisfied?

[kode]

Originally posted by vyper
And the arrogance of the French makes me like Yanks more each day...

Sorry, couldn't resist. *leaves thread*

word.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by vyper
And the arrogance of the French makes me like Yanks more each day...

Sorry, couldn't resist. *leaves thread*

I can't tell who you're insulting with that one.

[Nico]

Originally posted by vyper
And the arrogance of the French makes me like Yanks more each day...  

what did I say now?

Originally posted by kode
well, I suppose you don't have to understand course litterature for one?
85% of it is in english over here. I guess I just foolishly assumed people actually read their course litterature, just because I do.
100% of the final papers are in english.

Mmh? Courses are in english when it's an english course. litterature is in french, why should it be in english? Now, what you foolishly assumed, is that coz you do your courses in englsh in swede, other countries do too
My courses are in english, but that's coz I'm doing an english license ( some degree, won't tell you anything I suppose ).

Bah, why should I care anyway.

[kode]

Originally posted by Nico

Mmh? Courses are in english when it's an english course. litterature is in french, why should it be in english? Now, what you foolishly assumed, is that coz you do your courses in englsh in swede, other countries do too
My courses are in english, but that's coz I'm doing an english license ( some degree, won't tell you anything I suppose ).

Bah, why should I care anyway.

actually it was you that assumed weird **** when I was in fact talking about the situation in sweden. but then, you seemed so darn knowledgeable in how it is in sweden so...

also, what are you trying to say in the middle of the post I quoted? I foolishly assumed that "coz" I do my courses in "englsh" in "swede", other countries do too? I didn't know I was a country, neither did I know I was talking about any other country than sweden the whole time.

[Night Hammer]

Originally posted by redsniper
despite living here my whole life, I've never managed to learn Texan so I just speak English.

hehe, not sure if that counts....

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Mr. Fury
I've found interesting that many people who actually speak english natively have worse spelling and grammar than those who do not speak english natively.

Indeed.  This tends to annoy those of us who do know how to spell... and I suppose it isn't too helpful for those learning English either.

[Flipside]

The worst part is, in a lot of cases for me, the bad spellings are typos that I can't be bothered to correct

[Night Hammer]

i just make typos and grammar errors so Goob's life can have meaning:p

[Goober5000]

[TopAce]

Night Hammer is right at English is so widely-taught. It will only take a matter of decades until it becomes even more popular and better-spoken. It has become the language of the internet, thereby making it more popular and making it more important and straightforward to learn. I think its because the Great Britain: They made English spread, they colonised a large part of the American continent(Now they are called the United States and Canada), Australians are also the decendants of the British: They were the Brittons who colonised that island as well. I dare say if the Portugese or the Spanish were quicker in going to North America and the main language of the USA would be Spanish or Portugese and if it had happened, Spanish or Portugese would have become the 'main' secondary language.
I somehow find it lucky that English became the most important language; Spanish must be harder. And what makes me think that Spanish is hard? I learn Italian and Spanish is close to Italian in grammar and vocabulary. English has simple grammar if you do not intend to make complicated sentences or learn it perfectly to speak like the natives.