[Kie99]

Originally posted by Raa
The Terrans have more variety in their fleet, but the Vasudan ones are better.

Terran Fighters: 9
Vasudan Fighters 5

I'm confident that any FS2 era fighter can beat any Vasudan fighter

Terran Bombers: 6
Vasudan Bombers:3

Boanagres(sp?) and Ursa = High payload death machines. Bakha and Sekhmet Excellent ships.  As heavy assault fighters!

Terran Cruisers: 3
Vasudan Cruisers: 2

A Fenris can kill an Aten with no problems
An Aeolus can own a Mentu so badly its not even funny.

Terran Corvettes:2 (Iceni and Deimos)
Vasudan Corvettes:1

Either terran corvette could destroy the sobek with no problems.

The destroyers would then be on their own with no escort.  Couple of Trebuchets and Stillettos to the engines, then an Iceni jumps in behing it and slowly destroys it.

[TopAce]

The GTA would win, they have better fighters and bombers.

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Who would win, setting is 5 years after Capella.  Both sides have built up there fleets to what they were before the NTF rebellion.
Terrans have Alpha 1.
THe VAsudans don't have any FREDders.
Need I say more?

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Vasudan Destroyers>>>>>>>Terran Destroyers

HELOOOO?
The Orion would pawn any other destroyer... most firepower
The Hatesputh is the second best destroyer out there
Hecates can only kill something if it's parked right infront of htem and is standing still
Typhons have 1 beam cannon...need I say more?

[IceFire]

It seems like the stalemate between the GTA and PVN would eventually be broken.  I think it sounded like the PVN was a corrupt organization using the war to stay afloat within the Vasudan people.  There probably was some trouble with the GTA as well (the GTI situation is just as indicative as the HoL situation) but I think the PVN woud probably have fallen in the wake of internal dissention and some advances on the GTA side.

The GTA did after all have a shield prototype under construction at GTI Rivera (probably years away from completion) and the Avenger cannon was a big thing that they pushed through pretty quickly once the Shivans arrived.

Seems like the GTA's cruisers were better than the PVN's cruisers but that the Typhon was a better destroyer than the Orions at the time and presumably the PVN had more Typhons than the GTA did Orions.

[TrashMan]

It said that it destroyed the Eisenhower and the 4th fleet when it fist appeared (it wasn't attacking alone)

It never said the Typhoon was better than an Orion.
It never said if it was an ambush or if the GTVA captain was just too overconfident seing hte Athen

Purely statisticly (Fs1 stats of both ships) the Orion would win. I tried it....

[neo_hermes]

GTA would win

[Taristin]

Originally posted by IceFire
It seems like the stalemate between the GTA and PVN would eventually be broken.  I think it sounded like the PVN was a corrupt organization using the war to stay afloat within the Vasudan people.  There probably was some trouble with the GTA as well (the GTI situation is just as indicative as the HoL situation) but I think the PVN woud probably have fallen in the wake of internal dissention and some advances on the GTA side.

The GTA lost of pilots after the utter failure known as Operation Thresher. More than the Vasudans.

 

The GTA did after all have a shield prototype under construction at GTI Rivera (probably years away from completion) and the Avenger cannon was a big thing that they pushed through pretty quickly once the Shivans arrived.

The shield prototype would have given an advantage for... what, 3 months? Until the Vasudans copied it, or were leaked schematics by Terrans under Vasudan control in the GTA? The Avenger only succeeded as well as it did, because of the joint cooperation between the species. I'm sure that both were producing them at the height of the war, because the Vasudans wouldn't entrust the Terrans with making that laser exclusively for both. I know I wouldn't trust an enemy of 14 years to give me a proper working laser.

Seems like the GTA's cruisers were better than the PVN's cruisers but that the Typhon was a better destroyer than the Orions at the time and presumably the PVN had more Typhons than the GTA did Orions.

The cruisers may have been better, but the Vasudans were more willing to Kamikaze than the Terrans. The Vasudan fightercraft at the height of the war were also better. Ignoring the Anubis, of course.

[TrashMan]

Horus and Seth rocked!

[Taristin]

The Thoth is a hard target to hit on higher difficulties, as well.

[Night Hammer]

the horus matches up well with the perseus let alone any FS1 era interceptors

[Janos]

GTA. Vasudans are stagnat whereas Terrans are not. Plus GTA has better equipment.

[Taristin]

You don't know that the Vasudans are Stagnant, though. We only know what Alpha 1 encounterred. Who's to say there weren't atleast a dozen other fighter designs out there?

[Ace]

This is a toughie.

The GTA had failure after failure in the war. The VPE was a corrupt institution. Both were effectively bankrupt, with their tattered economies propped up from collapse by the war.

The Vasudans seem to have fewer but better developed systems. Military wise they seem to have a lot of cannon-fodder craft with a handful of powerful ships to command the battlefield. The Terrans seem to have a more balanced fleet doctrine.

Use of very nasty weapons on planets seems to be common, as harbingers and their Vasudan equivalents were used in bombardment. Probably this devastation from a sorched earth policy is one of the causes for the economies being so badly off.

The GTI was basing a lot of Terran advances off of Shivan technology, so without this the edge the Terrans were gaining technologically would have not existed. The Ross 128 deflector array or even the Avenger may have been based off recovered Shivan technologies.

Without the Shivans to show up, both species would have probably annihilated each other.

With the Shivan technology available but no invasion, the GTI would have had a successful Hades rebellion and would have seized both the GTA and VPE if they didn't unite.

[Andreas]

I've always thought that the Vasudans had a larger fleet then the GTA, relying more on cheaper and fast-to-produce designs like the PVF Anubis and the PVC Aten to do most of the fighting, while the more advanced designs (such as the Seth and Horus) would be granted to use on elite-units, operating out of destroyers such as the PVD Hope.

As such, the PVN would most likely be formed of large partion of conscripts (kamikazes) rather than more trained and skilled crew, operating on destroyers and such.

GTA League of Defense would on the other hand, be a very highly-trained, professional army, relying more on the skill of the pilots and the general high-quality of their designs rather than numbers, meaning that their fleet would be smaller in size compared to the PVN.

And as for the Battle of Vega ( ) in 2333, the 4th fleet was mostly likely ambushed by, say those elite Vasudan units, using bombers, advanced fighters designs and of course, the Typhon. Plus, the Vasudans had the element of surprise in this battle, since the GTA underestimated the power of the PVD Typhon.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Raa
 The shield prototype would have given an advantage for... what, 3 months? Until the Vasudans copied it

Like inversed engineering is that simple to achieve.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Nico


Like inversed engineering is that simple to achieve.

Reverse engineering, and the TVs managed it from Shivan tech within a very short period - reverse engineering from a species who's technology you'd been analyzing for years (presumably) would be a comparatively simple matter I'd expect.

[Taristin]

Quote the rest of the sentence before ripping it apart.

Like a war with the Shivans would end in 3 months.

[Ransom]

If it weren't for snufflewufflegus, the Vasudans would be on teh winz. Cause the Vasudans are cooler, but not cooler than snufflewufflegus.

[Kie99]

Clarification:
This thread is not what would have happened if the Shivans had never arrived, it is set 5 years after "The Capella Incident"