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Offline Janos

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MP, North Korea doesn't have missles anywhere *near* the range required to hit US cities. The problem isn't only the actualy warheads, the main difficulty is delivery systems. As for hitting the South, well they already have enough long-range artillery aimed at Soeul and the DMZ to do major damage, so nuclear weapons would be largely redundant in that respect.
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Delivery is a ***** to them, for now and propably in foreseeable future. However, there are always ways to get a nuke in US soil - the cargo scanning is proceeding very painfully and only a minor part of the containers are inspected. It would take time and would depend on some luck, but it's possible.

However, as someone pointed out, it's really doubtful if the NK would ever try to nuke US. They could aim for troop concentrations in South Korea, Seoul or Japan (they have launched missiles over Japan years ago, they still have that capacity).

As for the Seoul + artillery thing.
Seoul is a big city, built on hills and stuff. And the NK could only reach the outskirts and suburbs of Seoul with the equipment WE KNOW OF (that's a lot, but still), and it's not their entire arsenal either. NK has so much artillery because they have spared every single goddamn gun they've ever got their hands onto. This also reduces their overall accuracy, and the older the gun the more impaired their accuracy is. Terror bombing a city does not take much of that, though, but the main thing is that the bulk of their artillery cannot reach Seoul - the forces near DMZ are a completely different matter.

But.

US and ROK forces have been training for such situation since the Korean war. Basically the counterbattery fire would most likely devastate the bulk of really dangerous NK artillery in matter of seconds and minutes - quite a few of their heavier guns also have fixed firing positions (and often those are the ones which can reach the Seoul), and we know how well a stationary target manages to survive against technologically vastly more advanced enemy. Not very well. Also the air superiority factor - it's not really funny to be an artilleryman when enemy CAS platforms are buzzing everywhere.

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And even if they had ICBMs, please stop assuming that they're crazy enough to actually try anything. These things only happen in Tom Clancy novels, not the real world.


Quite true, though I also remember Tom Clancy wrote a stupid book  where the Yellow Threat used commercial airplanes as weapons. Against White House and Capitol. lolocaust

ps. Tom Clancy's recent books suck ass

ps. edit: pyro-manic's feelings hurt were my postal stupidity by yes
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Janos is on the ball, North Korea is probably in more danger of a Chinese invasion these days than a US one.


No. First, coz many would have something to tell about that, like South Korea and, behind it, the NATO and the UN. Second, coz they sure as well don't want the millions of refugees that would w/o a doubt run to their border, third, coz the current situation suits them fine. They don't want to bother with NK, no more than they want it to unite with SK and make a new, potentially strong economical power at their border, no more than they want NK to bomb the **** out of anybody. Any since everybody is fine with that, nobody will do anything. The US will do nothing, the Japanese will keep winning at football I suppose, but that's it, China will do nothing, and North Korea will do nothing.

Stop watching James Bond movies, people.
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Ps. I never said that China would try to invade Korea unless something really wacky happened. Nico is right, the status quo allows everyone to just sit there and wait for NK to collapse or maybe get sensible.

The entire China point is that China has no interest in opposing the US in any ways in near future because it would be bad bussiness and policy, and the NK is just one small part of the entire thingie we call "Asian realpolitiks". Ideologism is kinda dead.
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It's an insurance. From now on NK can't be "Dealt With" as a 3rd world/minor nation its status is similar to Pakistan's/India's.
From now on, no direct millitary action can be taken to unite Korea, since the Northerners can hit the button anytime.

 


North Korea NEVER dould be "dealth" with like any other 3rd world hell-hole because they have scores of artillery aimed at Seoul. Enough to basically flatten the city and cause more damage and death than a single nuke dropped on the city could.

any conflict with Kim's gulag is going to result in massive damage to the Seoul. Under any scenario.
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North Korea "Claims Nuclear Capability"....
Well NK is now actin like the true looser it is.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6944560/

 

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North Korea NEVER dould be "dealth" with like any other 3rd world hell-hole because they have scores of artillery aimed at Seoul. Enough to basically flatten the city and cause more damage and death than a single nuke dropped on the city could.

any conflict with Kim's gulag is going to result in massive damage to the Seoul. Under any scenario.


No. Skim back a couple of posts.
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- I also remember Tom Clancy visionating someone to use passenger airplanes as weapons - [/B]


I AM THE GHOST OF BASIC ENGLISH, AND I DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THAT SENTENCE...
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I AM THE GHOST OF BASIC ENGLISH, AND I DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THAT SENTENCE...


Sorry, I me english very ****y indeed :(
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Heh. Sorry. Just seeing the word "visionate" made me physically wince. No offence intended. :)
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You're saying all of this "We Must protect ourselves from the US threat" is really "We must make China think we're tough, by barking at the US, so that China doesn't try to take us over"?


No, what I was saying was theres more chance of China invading NK than the US.

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No. First, coz many would have something to tell about that, like South Korea and, behind it, the NATO and the UN. Second, coz they sure as well don't want the millions of refugees that would w/o a doubt run to their border, third, coz the current situation suits them fine. They don't want to bother with NK, no more than they want it to unite with SK and make a new, potentially strong economical power at their border, no more than they want NK to bomb the **** out of anybody. Any since everybody is fine with that, nobody will do anything. The US will do nothing, the Japanese will keep winning at football I suppose, but that's it, China will do nothing, and North Korea will do nothing.

Stop watching James Bond movies, people.


Very nice Nico but you've just outlined why people want to preserve the status quo, not said why China is less likely to invade. Yes China arent actively looking to invade NK, its more hassle than they need or want, but at the end of the day going in themselves is a more attractive option than a long bloody war on their frontier with the mass of refugees, disruption of trade and loss of face and influence that entails. They're in a far better position to actually take the place in the first place, their border isnt as heavily militarised, the north korean people dont hate them anything like they hate the US and anyone they install is likely to have a lot easier time running the place than a US/South appointed man. Its probably not the most attrative option to them, but at the end of the day installing your own man is a lot better than having your largest competitor in influence and economics invading your traditional ally right on your doorstep.

China already was pretty pissed with Pyongyang:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GA29Ad01.html
That article dates to before the NK pulled out of the talks, you can bet they're extremely pissed in Beijing at the minute.

 

Offline Nico

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First, i want to point out I took up your post randomly among the few that were saying about the same thing.

Well, i'm no expert, but I know that NK is helped by China concerning economics and stuff, so I assume they have their reasons to prefer for the situation to remain the way it is. regardless, no matter what, no country can invade another one freely anymore. China can't risk that, they already have troubles with trying to take back Taiwan and the foreign protests that have emerged from that, they can't add more to the bill, their tremendous economical growth would suffer from an agressive foreign policy.
Of course, that's purely personal speculations, I have no data to prove my point.
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