[Gank]

Seen anon on about this before but didnt exactly realise just how dubious the whole evidence supporting this is:
http://vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

[Dark_4ce]

People who think the holocaust never happened should be shot. no questioning, nothing. Just shot. I personally know people who escaped from that place and got the marks to prove it.

[Flipside]

Well, questioning it is not a shootable offence It may even, upon further investigation prove that the evidence is wrong and the Holocaust was indeed as terrible as it was thought.

Not questioning it, accepting anything without question is a dangerous course

[Gank]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
People who think the holocaust never happened should be shot. no questioning, nothing. Just shot. I personally know people who escaped from that place and got the marks to prove it.

From what place? And you say this guy should be shot, did you watch the video before you decided that?  Because hes not actually saying it didnt happen. personally I think people who make kneejerk reactions and call for other people to be shot based on faulty perceptions should be shot themselves. Look:

It is an undisputed fact of history that, during World War II, the Germans ran a network of prison and labor camps, both in Germany and in the territories they controlled. Into these camps were sent Jews, prisoners-of-war, resistance fighters, Gypsies, and other people considered enemies of the Third Reich.

thats the first paragraph on the page
Meh, knew the first reply would be something like this.

[Flipside]

Thing is, it's like science, if science accepted every truth it discovered we'd have a really screwed up view of the world these days. That's why it's actually healthy to go back and 'Question the Unquestionable' as Gank put it. If for no other reason than to make sure it's still unquestionable.

[Getter Robo G]

HUH? Oh not you too...

*shakes Flipside* "Stop ranting nonsence and get back to the code man!"



The only "Questions" I have are:

1.) Is it done yet?

2.) Will it run on my system?

3.)  What's so bad about cloaking? (that word makes Freelancers FREAK!)

LOL!

Oh yeah, the holocost happened, deal with it...

[Flipside]

LOL I don't code, I only pretend to

As for your questions :-

1 : No
2 : Dunno, if it runs on your system then it will
3 : Cloaking is ongoing, but I think the texture system is holding things back

[BlackDove]

I don't think it didn't happen but.....uhh.....well I have my own theories.

Where's my tinfoil hat?

[vyper]

We have all heard too many lies from the governments and "free press" in our own short lifetimes that it has become sadly easy to accept that such a thing as the holocaust could have been exaggerated.

[Gank]

Mkay well if you're all so sure it happened as was said lets see the evidence.

[BlackDove]

Here's one.

[Dark_4ce]

My friends dad escaped from Auschwitz. TWICE! He has the tattoo. He has scars. He saw his whole family killed. I doubt he'd make that up or exagarate it.

Questioning isn't a shooting offense. Going out of your way to blatantly disprove a historical event that is perhaps one of the most and well documented, is.

[Corsair]

Countless eyewitness accounts, hundreds of thousands of families torn apart, millions dead. This we know. How can you question that?

Fine, perhaps some little facts are distorted. But how can you dispute the major claims?

[Flipside]

Look, it's like Galileo saying the Earth goes round the Sun, until that point the Earth was the centre of the universe, sometimes someone does have to go against the 'accepted' and be derised for it.

Whether right or wrong, it is still fair for people the question the 'inconsistencies' provided by the link at the top of the thread. If we don't then we are falling victim to over-complacency in our own knowledge of Modern History (which has been proved to be wrong time and time again).

I'm not saying it didn't happen, and I'm not saying that even if it happened on a smaller scale than thought that it wasn't a terrible thing, but read the article at the top with an open mind, even if you accept the Holocaust without question, you should still 'like' to know the answers to the question raised, just to have the complete story.

[IceFire]

Bloody hell...they are arguing the numbers of people exterminated like there's two alternating levels of crimes taking place depending on the number.  Here's all the proof that I need:
1) There was mass discrimination and social darwinism present in the Nazi regime.  There's libraries full of that evidence.  If you were "aryan" then you were ok, if you were anything else (jewish being the biggest group but there were others) then you were an enemy to be destroyed (that included the Slavs/Russians).
2) People were hearded into concentration camps and executed.

I've seen, read, written on, and gotten enough information to satisfy both points.  The numbers in the thousands of people who were killed is not the sticking point...its a statistic that frankly is second place to the enourmous human tragedy.

[vyper]

I think we react far too hysterically to the events of WW2. More people die in the middle east from poverty we impose upon them every year than died in the holocaust, yet we are afraid to risk someone holding an opinion that these are somehow equal.

[MatthewPapa]

*is to lazy to read the article in whole so he just downloads it*

[.::Tin Can::.]

The fact that the Holocaust even happened is an attrocity, not only for the purpous that it was carried out but also for the sheer number of people killed ruthlessly. I visited a Holocaust Museum and got to hear one of the speakers break down about how almost all of his friends were killed and how he almost died while in the camp. It's a terrible thing, and we have enough pictures, footage, writings, and eye wittness accounts to justify it happened and that it happened on a large scale. Anyone trying to hash the event as "nothing too serious" has their head very far up their ass.

Why is it that people have lately been trying to discredit or hash history? It's like saying this:

"D-Day occured, but not on the scale or the courageous front the Allies had in store. Since there was nothing writen down, we have to say that the Allied attack was probably sucessful because of the massive stores of Panda Bears on the D-Day warships. These Pandas dodged MG-42 fire and reached the Nazi's while still in their bunkers. The Pandas wreaked Havoc. Since, and I say again, there were no writings of the offensive or any "major" evidence (I am being so ****ing stupid at this point) then we are forced to believe the Pandas won the day, and the Allies were merely caught in the crossfire."

Let's make a documentary!

[Dark_4ce]

Look... I cannot give an open mind to an article and video that was created by a closed and biased mind. Its like a doctor going to find proof of his own theory and ignoring anything that might disprove it. But in reverse. I pritty much put this akin to the "We didn't land on the moon" group. I mean come on. This isn't really someone trying push forward the way of science like Gallileo. This is just another conspiracy nut.

There is proof if you look for it. If you ignore it...

All I'm saying is, somethings don't need to be disproved. Having an open mind about everything is impossible. I'm a VERY open minded person and ready to give everything a looksie. Hell, I even believe in time travel. But what he's trying to do is equal to disproving water is wet.

[Flipside]

That's the whole point Tin, are they trying to discredit it or prove it? Simply because people believe it is the truth, it doesn't always follow that it is the truth. The victors write History every time, and they always demonise the enemy. What is so scary about people questioning this that people have to run a mile or go up in flames the moment it is mentioned, are we genuinely that afraid that we might be wrong?

BTW I didn't get the Pandas thing in the slightest, it's nothing to do with the contents of the article