[Goober5000]

Playing through the FS2 campaign again recently, I noticed something rather interesting.  The NTF has an overabundance of French ships.  And every single one of them gets destroyed.

Consider:

NTC Rapier
NTD Normandy
NTC Camisard
NTCv Jacquerie
NTCv Danton

Setting aside English, Greek, and Roman names (which are shared with GTVA ships too), this is the single highest percentage of foreign-named ships.

Does have a hidden agenda?

[WMCoolmon]

I just realized something the other day...Neo Terran Front. How did, well, everyone miss that? It never seemed to cross anyone's minds that it might just be a front (I don't think Command can be blamed, they've never been very bright).

It doesn't speak too well of Bosch's skills at deception, either.

[Goober5000]

There are other plausible definitions...

1. the side or end of something that faces the direction it normally moves
3. an area where armies are engaged in conflict
5. a person or institution acting as the public face of some other, covert group
[archaic] the first part, the beginning

But #5 fits it like a glove.  I never noticed that - good call.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Goober5000
There are other plausible definitions...

1. the side or end of something that faces the direction it normally moves
3. an area where armies are engaged in conflict
5. a person or institution acting as the public face of some other, covert group
[archaic] the first part, the beginning

But #5 fits it like a glove.  I never noticed that - good call. [/B]

Your old post got replaced by this one.

[Goober5000]

It was a pseudo-edit.

Anyway, let's get back on the original topic...

[brugger]

The french getting their asses kicked, never heard of such a thing

[ShadowWolf_IH]

while number 5 fits well given what we know.....i prefer 3.

[Carl]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I just realized something the other day...Neo Terran Front. How did, well, everyone miss that? It never seemed to cross anyone's minds that it might just be a front (I don't think Command can be blamed, they've never been very bright).

technically it was a front, according to both number 3 and number 5.  It was a front to cover up the knossos and ETAK research.

[WMCoolmon]

Oh, OK. The first time I read that, I didn't catch that they were diffrent definitions for front.

But anyway...maybe France finally got pissed at the US enough to relocate to Polaris.

[Getter Robo G]

....In my I Love Lucy Accent...


   "NICO, you got some SPLAINING to do!"  

[aldo_14]

Er, not wanting to steal your thunder or anything, but they're not all French.......

Originally posted by Goober5000

NTC Rapier
I think the Rapier is Spanish actually; or at least descended from a spanish sword type (not exclusively French, nayways) http://members.aol.com/dargolyt/TheForge/rapier.htm
NTD Normandy
As well as the obvious (D-Day landings), home of hte Normans (last to invade England), and occupied during the hundred years war
NTC Camisard
Another (French) rebellion; http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/18cen/camisard.html
NTC Gaozu
I don't get this as French, but as a rebel officer who became the first Emperor of the Han dynasty; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gao_of_Han_China
NTC An Luchan
No idea what this is... however, An Lushan was another rebellion, this time in China http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/An-Lushan-Rebellion
NTCv Jacquerie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie Popular revolt in Medieval europe that became a byeword for peasant uprisings
NTCv Danton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Danton George Danton, leading figure in the French revolution
[/B]

[Goober5000]

Bleah.  I guess I didn't check Gaozu and An Luchan close enough then.

Post edited.

[WMCoolmon]

So the Neo-Terran Front was European?

NTF = EU?

[IceFire]

No...the meanings behind each of the ship names are based on rebellions, uprisings, and the like.  Quite a few of them happend in central Europe (popular history anyways) and therefore you get the names you do.

The guys who wrote this stuff up were very careful students of history.  FS2 is filled with historical and mythological references left right and center.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
So the Neo-Terran Front was European?

NTF = EU?

Nah, then they'd of ruthlessly legislated the exact curvature of the bows of Deimos' and been too busy on junkets to actually start fights.....

Albeit you do have to wonder why a rebellion would name a ship after a rebellion that killed 36 million.  

The Trinity...is an interesting name. 3 parts.... 3 FS games?   Or symbolic of Terrans + Shivans + ? ('unholy' trinity?).   That and the subtext behind 'Iceni' as well.

[Cobra]

what the hell happened to my post?

[Kie99]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Nah, then they'd of ruthlessly legislated the exact curvature of the bows of Deimos' and been too busy on junkets to actually start fights.....

Albeit you do have to wonder why a rebellion would name a ship after a rebellion that killed 36 million.  

The Trinity...is an interesting name. 3 parts.... 3 FS games?   Or symbolic of Terrans + Shivans + ? ('unholy' trinity?).   That and the subtext behind 'Iceni' as well.

Maybe the 3rd part of the trinity was *drumroll* Vasudans!

On topic FS2 isn't completely anti-europe/french.  Hence GTD Aquitaine.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
Maybe the 3rd part of the trinity was *drumroll* Vasudans!

As a young pilot I battled against the rebels of the great war, the Galactic Terran Intelligence whose research of shivan technology and biology would form the cornerstone of my project. The Terran-Vasudan alliance buried this knowledge but I resurrected it. I alone realised our species had no future with the Vasudans. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.

Doubt it.

[Charismatic]

What battle is the Aquitane from then? What nationality was the 'ship' from in history?

[aldo_14]

I think Aquitane is in the Alsace region in France and is a battlesite.

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EDIT; that's utter rubbish.  Aquitance is itself a region (no idea where I got Alsace from)).

The most famous person or thing associated with Aquitane is, I think, Elanor of Aquitane; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Guienne.  I think it was also invaded by the English at some point.