[karajorma]

Yeah but you're suggesting they pay the increased cost because you want to punish unmarried people for having sex and they got caught in the crossfire.

You should pay the bill for that. Or are you suggesting married people who don't want any more kids should just stop having sex?

[Sapphire]

kara...

[Zarax]

A local newspaper here states that the proposal has been retired in favour of a simpler "the assembly doesn't recognize any new international rights".
Reliability 4/5.

[WeatherOp]

Originally posted by Sapphire
kara...there's these simple  things that married people usually opt for when they have the number of children they want.  They are called Vasectomies for the male, and Tubaligations for the female.  
 

Yeah, that was what I was thinking just forgot to include that in my other post. Thanks for adding that.

And about the number of kids, my grandmother had 12, if a family stays together long enough to have 5 kids, I don't think they would abort the sixth one, if they did have a wonderful happen and they did have one. And if it did happen, don't you think that kid should be down here anyways?

[Ford Prefect]

I don't know why abortions seem to be everyone's quick fix instead of the obvious answer of prevention.

That's not the point. Pro-choice people like me are not proposing the administration of any one solution. We're arguing that anything that is possible should be available so that, A) There are multiple options for the entire spectrum of possible problems and B) People are left alone to make their own moral decisions.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

That's not the point. Pro-choice people like me are not proposing the administration of any one solution. We're arguing that anything that is possible should be available so that, A) There are multiple options for the entire spectrum of possible problems and B) People are left alone to make their own moral decisions.

Exactly.  I couldn't put it better myself

[Kazan]

weatherop, sapphire

*Sigh*

please join us in the 21st century

let me introduce you two to a revolutionary concept: Sex isn't bad, irresponsible sex is

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Sapphire
kara...there's these simple  things that married people usually opt for when they have the number of children they want.  They are called Vasectomies for the male, and Tubaligations for the female.  

I don't know why abortions seem to be everyone's quick fix instead of the obvious answer of prevention.

The answer is - they aren't.  

I bet you would find that the number of sexual intercourses (ach, crap term) with contraception massively outnumber the abortions for non-psychological/physical reasons.  

However, on the subject of the snip, people may not wish permanent infertility (whether they are married or not), even if they do not wish children at the present time.

[Kazan]

aldo - karajorma -- keep it coming

i don't have the patience for these two (anymore)

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Sapphire
I don't know why abortions seem to be everyone's quick fix instead of the obvious answer of prevention.

ps: they aren't "everyone's quick fix" - you've been fed misinformation if you think that

[Sapphire]

 xxxx

[Kazan]

that post is not even worth a detailed response

*rolleyes*

aldo, karajorma.. if you would be so kind?

[Liberator]

nice to see you haven't actually bothered to read any of the statistics on the status of women a couple of years after they've had an abortion, Kaz.  Depression and a myriad of physiological problems are rampant.

It's not meant to be a fix for anything.  It's a fallback last resort if all other methods of saving the mother's life have failed.

[Kazan]

nice to know that you think things which are irrevelant and are related to societal pressures (meaning: you, weatherop, saphire, etc) actually have anything to do with the legality of something


and it's nice to know that saphire colors her interpretations based upon her poor sampling

[Ford Prefect]

Sapphire, you may respect women for raising children they didn't want, but I wouldn't want to see that circumstance forced on anyone. That is a lot of potential misery just for having sex with someone. The issue of which abortions are acceptable and which aren't is hardly relevant. Either abortion is legal, or it isn't, and considering that there are people who really do need them, it seems safer to grind your teeth and let the others behave in a way that you may find reprehensible.

[Kazan]

ford perfect: but we cannot let people live their own lives in their own ways and have their own religious beliefs and leave the government to take a religiously neutral position - it's immoral!!!!

[Liberator]

too bad her "poor sampling" is an all to common reality

[Kazan]

just because it's real still doesn't make it a statisical majority - and i gaurantee you she's overstating her surroundings (ie: exaggerating) to try and strengthen her position

[Sapphire]

 

[Kazan]

sapphire

A) get all the kids up for adoption into homes first - then you can TRY and make the adoption argument (Still fails for legal reasons)

B) the punishment argument is still asinine no matter how many times you repeat it