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America urges UN to renounce abortion rights
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America urges UN to renounce abortion rights
depends on how you're using the term gun control

in favor of: basic licensing, background checks, etc
against: tracking each and every single gun, etc
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Isn't birth control (and contraception) actively encouraging responsibility and recognition of the consequences of sex?  I certainly feel it does a better job of informing people of the risks and what they are,  than simply saying 'don't do it'.

 

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now we appear to be getting somewhere :D


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for the record I am opposed to public funding of just about everything (exept grade schools... and roads)
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Originally posted by Sapphire
What I am against is having abortions used as a commonplace thing, and the free flow of public money to finance abortions used for birth control or to elliminate the need for personal responsibility in having sex.  I also believe that the demand for abortions would decrease if people are educated to own personal responsibility for their choices.


As I've said several times. Allow better teaching of Sex ed. That's where the problem lies. You want kids to realise the responsibilties involved in having sex then you have to teach them.

You can't do that by simply barking "Don't have sex" at them. They'll try it anyway and then you'll be in the situation you are now.

Do you think it's a co-incidence that the western country with the highest reliance on abstincence only sex ed is also the western country with the highest level of teen pregnancies and abortions?
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and the police force

and the court

etc

ps: bobboau "promote the general welfare"
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when I mentioned roads I was implying public services, that would include police, fire departments, military, emergincy medical service, city pluming/sewers, electrical/communication transmission. stuff that you are alowed to use so long as you pay your taxes.
and if you don't use a service I don't think you should have to pay for it, I don't like the big pool of money for the government that exsists now, taxes should be itemised more than they are now, and you only have to pay for what you use (like in order to get a drivers licence you have to pay an anual universal fee, that fee goes into maintaining the roads).

but this is going off course, were argueing about abortion, but maybe this will help to prove that most pro-choice people are not the steriotypical quasi-comunist that some people seem to think they are
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bobboau: there are many reasons why your system is unworkable - we'll go into them some other time tho
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my point in bringing that up was that Sapphire seems to have some monolithic steriotypical view of us "liberals", I was trying to show her that reality is more complicated than that.
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Reversing themselves?  I'm expecting them to adjudicate based on Law, not a decision by one man in a particular set of circumstances.


Define 'Freedom of Speech'.

Going strictly by those words, that DOESN'T include any sort of writing (Unless you are a member of the press) or communication beyond speech. But that would also include types of speech that would endanger others' lives.

Jason's hated adversary, John, is doing some work on his house in a precarious position on his ladder. It's a warm summer day, half a dozen people are out as well. Jason sneaks up behind John and suddenly screams "JOHN!", causing John to jerk and fall off the ladder, and breaks his neck.

So it goes to court. Jason's feud with John is well-known, there's a half-dozen witnesses to the murder. But Jason has freedom of speech, so he can't be prosecuted, even though the intent and purpose of his speech was obviously to kill John. In order to get that changed, the Constitution would have to be ammended (sp?) to add "except" and some exceptions to the Freedom of Speech clause. Today, we'd be talking about amendments in the 200s, at least, and at that point the Constitution would have lost a lot of its integrity and, well, sanctity.

But of course, in the meantime, anything you can do with nothing bu speech is legal. And the government can arrest you if you write something it doesn't like in an e-mail, or in your blog, or wherever.

And of course, does the 'Freedom of speech' by itself apply to merely the Federal government, or to individuals and businesses as well? This is where 'interpreting the law' comes in, and why there is such a difference between constructionist and activist judges. A constructionist judge would think along the lines, "Hmm, what were they thinking of when they wrote this law?" An activist judge would think along the lines of, "Hmm, how should this apply today?"

Honestly, today, the President has far more power than the courts. If you are so scared of "a decision by one man in a particular set of circumstances", well, individual judges shouldn't be your biggest concern. If an interpretation of a law is controversial enough, it'll end up in the Supreme Court, where the decision of nine people, not one, will decide what the law means.
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I didn't label anyone "liberals" or anything else...   Did you?


you didn't say it but I was getting that impression.
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WMC: good analysis but "activist judge" is a bad term - and the people you were refering to by this would think "what were they thinking when they wrote this? and how does it apply today?"

strict constructionists follow the exact letter of the law (often trying to use the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law)
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omfg sapphire doesn't believe abstinance only has been being taught

im sorry... she's just soo... uninformed!

i don't have the patience for her anymore... OMFG!
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omfg sapphire doesn't believe abstinance only has been being taught

im sorry... she's just soo... uninformed!

i don't have the patience for her anymore... OMFG!


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