[Kazan]

"evolutionism" if you want to use such a bastardization of terminology is not a religion

because it is not based on faith

[WeatherOp]

So, you mean it's ok for the Goverment to support Evolution and pay support to it's orginziations, but not Christain ones? Just because it's not a religion. And it's ok for Christains to pay taxes to support Evolutionist stuff that We don't belive in, but you grumble your butt off when they try to get you to support Christain stuff? If they do support Evolutionist Stuff, I think it is even to support Christain ones as well. As long as you do it evenly, cause if they don't they are breaking the Constitution by showing favortisum.

[Ghostavo]

Evolution, a scientific theory, has it's own organizations?

I've got to see this...

[LeGuille]

Both are theories, neither 100% confirmed or denied. The evidence is there for both cases, but both are a theory, and both are 'belived' to be true through a 'faith' of sorts. So, neither one should be funded, really. There are many scientists who can suggest as the evolutionists can, that creationism is scientifically correct. Let's not be bias towards an agenda here.

[WeatherOp]

Yeah, that should be like it nether should be funded.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Rejindo
Both are theories, neither 100% confirmed or denied. The evidence is there for both cases, but both are a theory, and both are 'belived' to be true through a 'faith' of sorts. So, neither one should be funded, really. There are many scientists who can suggest as the evolutionists can, that creationism is scientifically correct. Let's not be bias towards an agenda here.

Creationism cannot ever be considered "scientifically correct" as it doesn't follow a scientific method, such as arriving to conclusions AFTER analising the data available.

[Liberator]

Kaz, I thought you were going away to deflate and come back refreshed with a new outlook and be a "Newer, Better" Kazan.  But, so far as I can see, you are just rerunning the same old crap over and over again.  You've been back less than a week and already you're arguing that religion is evil and that abortion is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  You haven't changed a bit and that disturbs me a bit.

[KappaWing]

He has the right to express his viewpoints, correct? Were you expecting him to change all of his views? Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of Democracy, and his moral views are his and his alone, but he has the right to try and convince other people as long as he doesent infringe on their rights.

In this system of 'majority rule' (by voting) it is easy to overlook the minorities and deem them insignificant. Democracy becomes a balance of 'Majority Rule' vs. 'Minority Freedom' and 'Expressing Views' vs. 'overzealous harassment'. Democracy is a complicated system indeed. No wonder all the politicians are wacko, they have to deal with this crap on a daily basis.

Democracy exists in a very delicate balance, so let's not tip the scales, okay?

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Liberator
Kaz, I thought you were going away to deflate and come back refreshed with a new outlook and be a "Newer, Better" Kazan.  But, so far as I can see, you are just rerunning the same old crap over and over again.  You've been back less than a week and already you're arguing that religion is evil and that abortion is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  You haven't changed a bit and that disturbs me a bit.

i never said anything of the such - i went away because I WAS BUSY

way to once again prove how presumptious you


additionally you also misrepresnet my position

religion is an evil - you got that one correct
"Abortion is the greatest thing since sliced bread" is a gross misrepresentation of my position and you very well ****ing know it

[WeatherOp]

I thought you went away when we caused that big fussy spam thread and nearly all got banned?

[Kazan]

no - it's because i work 40 hours a week, have to drive [edit]50 minutes[/edit] both  directions

and im suffering from everquest addiction

[Ford Prefect]

There are many scientists who can suggest as the evolutionists can, that creationism is scientifically correct.

I don't say this very often, but they are full of ****. We have seen natural selection occur. It is based on absurdly simple logic. Not everything that people spout has equal credence. The only reason that people give any attention to creationism is that it is a deeply rooted relic. People have difficulty seeing the frills torn off of their religious beliefs because it turns their world inside out. The reason that people continue to deny evolution is the same reason that Galileo was bullied into submission, and in time it will become as accepted as heliocentric theory. (Notice that the earth revolving around the sun is still referred to as a theory.)

[LeGuille]

You seem to have of spite against religion, Ford and Kaz... can I ask why?

[Ford Prefect]

I harbor no spite towards religion. In fact, I think there's a lot of beauty in it. It's not the religion I am deconstructing; it's the people who are unable to think metaphorically.

[Deepblue]

Heres a question, why can't evolution and creationism just get along??? One does not exclude the other unless your interpretation is or either extremely (foolishly) strict.

[Liberator]

Exactly my point Deepblue.  I don't discount that evolution takes place, I just draw a line that when people start ranting about how it is the reason we are all here.  We are here because we are created beings.

There is simply no way for evolution at the speed that most evolutionists claim that it takes place at could move from single celled organisms to humanity within the geological age that they insist Earth is.

[Bobboau]

4-6 billion years? it's a _realy_ long time

[LeGuille]

Evolution IS real, creationists even agree so - but as Liberator said, the creationists are only saying that there is a higher power, in whatever form you believe that to be, that started it all.

[icespeed]

but whether or not creationism and evolutionism are compatible or not doesn't matter at this point, does it?

government shouldn't fund religious organisations. what exactly does 'religious organisation' mean, is that like a church, or a charity, or what? and if so it's like a church, then what's wrong with not funding them and funding evolutionists, since presumably evolutionist organisations are devoted to research and science whereas religious organisations (as i understand it, which is not very much) are devoted to preaching and converting. one's enlarging the knowledge base and the other's changing people, which should not be done on government funding but with their own resources. how stupid is it to base spiritual gain on material donations? and if religious organisations refers to charities, then people should be donating, not the government; they shouldn't forcibly take taxpayer money when the taxpayer may not want to donate it to a charity.

anyway that's my random opinion and probably half of it at least is illogical or un-understandable. oh well.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Rejindo
Evolution IS real, creationists even agree so.

Not all of them. Not even a large percentage of them. Most creationists seem to spend a huge amount of time trying to explain why evolution can't work at any level beyond bacteria and viruses (They have trouble denying it there cause you can grind their noses in direct, visible evidence).

Originally posted by Liberator
Exactly my point Deepblue.  I don't discount that evolution takes place, I just draw a line that when people start ranting about how it is the reason we are all here.  We are here because we are created beings.

There is simply no way for evolution at the speed that most evolutionists claim that it takes place at could move from single celled organisms to humanity within the geological age that they insist Earth is.

As I've said before look at the wolf. In the few thousand years we've domesticated it we've taken it as far as the Chihuahua through selective breeding. Natural selection is the same thing but with a deliberate choice being made. It takes longer but billions of years is a hell of a long time.