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what do you make of this?
Derek Smart is his own oxymoron.

 

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well.. thus far the war on terror has done nothing to reduce terrorism and a lot to increase it


generally it's been a ****up thus far
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What the hell is that? A gimped UT2004 bot?

 

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Originally posted by Kazan
well.. thus far the war on terror has done nothing to reduce terrorism and a lot to increase it


generally it's been a ****up thus far


Speak for your own country; Israel's invasion of Jenin in 2002 drastically reduced the level of terrorism here.
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Alright! Everyone step right up! It's everybody's favorite gameshow, "It's America's ****ing Fault!" :rolleyes:
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what do you make of this?
but what of the picture itself?
Derek Smart is his own oxymoron.

 
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Rather stupid, truthfully.
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Alright! Everyone step right up! It's everybody's favorite gameshow, "It's America's ****ing Fault!" :rolleyes:


remove head from posterior


sometimes it really IS our fault - we're not ****ing perfect
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Alright! Everyone step right up! It's everybody's favorite gameshow, "It's America's ****ing Fault!" :rolleyes:

Your objection is illogical. This picture, however funny or unfunny it might be, is not identifying a problem then blaming it on America. It is identifying what America is doing, and ridiculing it.
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*is reminded of Halo by this...* *goes and plays*

 

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what the hell is that? :wtf:
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Third to last level on Halo... fun one...

Oh, you mean the picture?

 

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I still haven't beaten that level on Legendary yet...:sigh:
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One problem with the picture:

Wrong type of "head" ;)
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Speak for your own country; Israel's invasion of Jenin in 2002 drastically reduced the level of terrorism here.


Which did it cure, the cause or the effect?

 

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Which did it cure, the cause or the effect?


The effect; we didn't take over their education system and remove the hatred-filled parts of their cirriculum, you know.
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The effect; we didn't take over their education system and remove the hatred-filled parts of their cirriculum, you know.


And has invading Jenin encouraged them to change this themselves, or broken down the social attitudes that lead to that curriculum being considered acceptable?

 

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The social attitudes are not our job to try to change; they do not directly threaten Israeli civillians. The Palestinian terrorism isn't our job to change either, but the difference is that those social attitudes don't directly threaten the lives of Israeli citizens - the terrorism does.

If they truly wanted peace, the Palestinian Authority would have dealt with the terrorism that some of their people took part in, but they didn't.

If the Palestinians want to be considered as serious about peace, they can easily exchange the cirriculum of hatred in their educational systems with one that at least teaches tolerance.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Originally posted by Sandwich
The social attitudes are not our job to try to change; they do not directly threaten Israeli civillians. The Palestinian terrorism isn't our job to change either, but the difference is that those social attitudes don't directly threaten the lives of Israeli citizens - the terrorism does.

If they truly wanted peace, the Palestinian Authority would have dealt with the terrorism that some of their people took part in, but they didn't.

If the Palestinians want to be considered as serious about peace, they can easily exchange the cirriculum of hatred in their educational systems with one that at least teaches tolerance.


But is invading them encouraging a change in that attitude?  Don't get me wrong - I understand the desire for security - but is there not a risk of aggravating the cause?

You may not feel responsible for changing social attitudes, but it doesn't mean you should ignore them - especially with the consequences we've seen of those attitudes.  Certainly, I don't think sending troops into Palestinian areas will give the PA any more ability or encouragement to reform their own system and tackle terrorism, but rather will hurt it by eroding the support they might have to do so.

My fear would be that it would actually help to 'legitimise' terrorist activity in general, and certainly attacks upon Israeli troops and Israelis in general within the Palestinian territories.

Albeit this is possibly taking this topic a bit OT now (?)... anyways, in summary I think short term security has to be weighed against the long term consequences.  IMO invading someone - regardless of the reasons behind it - will rarely encourage them to not want to attack you in return.  I do recognise the inherent difficulty of the situation when they also would appear not to wish to stop of their own volition, of course.

 

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Yeah, I do agree with you in many ways, but to be honest - their social attitudes aren't going to change that easily, depending on whether we proactively act against terrorism or restrain ourselves. How many times in the past 4 years has Israel come to some sort of cease-fire agreement with the Palestinians, only to have it broken again and again by another shooting, another suicide bombing?

At this point, the hatred and violence are so ingrained that it will take drastic measures - measures they choose to take, not ones we'd "force" onto them - to bring about change. :blah:
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