[vyper]

See this is why having married, cohabiting or other wise associated forumites is a bad thing.

[Rictor]

guys...stick to the topic....it was a joke.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

this is also why not admitting that we treat our new people like crap is a bad thing.  i'm not pointing a finger on it, i've done it too.  Something that maybe we each need need to look into ourselves about.  There has been more than one thread about this in a moderators internal forum.

[edit]  we posted at the same time Rictor, and you are right, conversation closed on my end, with apologies [/edit]

[vyper]

Besides, pants on a woman are fine.

Now, as I said already this actually broke during the fighting. Hell I thought it was Rictor who posted the article then.

[aldo_14]

If it helps to settle an arguement, I didn't have 'pants' (in the American sense of the word - i.e. trousers) on last night, I had shorts.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be tearing apart my room to find hidden bugs.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
well the way that some of the people on HLP have been pushing her buttons, ie caller her a liar, exaggerator, or flat out stupid because her beliefs lie along a different path than than those of the politards, it's no wonder that she doesn't view anything on here as a joke.  The sarcasm runs ramapant toward new people, she's not the only one.  So when all you hear is sarcasm directed at you, it isn't a far stretch to see a remark like that directed at you.  

No offense, but there have been other new people on here who have not been flamed or called names or whatever. Sapph is really the only person I've heard complaining about it, and let's be honest, if you don't want you or your political beliefs attacked you shouldn't be posting in a political thread. Tempers flare and civility is lost. It's the nature of any semi-controversial political discussion.

There is a problem with new member tolerance, but it seems to me that the best thing is to ignore what you can and report what you can't (if you're a new member). If anything, people are being more tolerant - at least in some cases - with Sapph. Had Kazan posted that last post, the next 5-10 posts would probably have been personal comments directed at him, possibly a warning from an admin to stay on-topic.

Anyway, that's just my (mostly off-topic) 2 cents. Maybe I missed all the bad threads.

Token on topic post - I wouldn't be surprised if US military forces had used napalm weapons. But I really, really doubt there was any nuclear activity. It would be extremely bad politically if it was discovered that the US had been using nuclear weapons in it war on terrorism and attempts to prevent the spread of nuclear arms to terrorists.

It is odd to not know what exactly your government is doing, though...

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon

Anyway, that's just my (mostly off-topic) 2 cents. Maybe I missed all the bad threads.

No, you're pretty much right. She has strong views counter to those of the majority of the forum, and gets a little crap for them. No more than normal, but SW is still compelled to defend her. It's like Vyper said - friendly forumites are never a good thing.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Black Wolf


It's like Vyper said - friendly forumites are never a good thing.

That's absolutely correct, you bastard.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

then we should leave

[vyper]

Right fine, stfu and let us get on with the matter at hand rather than directing it towards closure.

Question: Do you believe there is such a thing as free press in our respective nations?

[Sapphire]

No, I'm gone.  That way you all can just go on with your little closed world.....delivering hate messages about christian beliefs and the USA and having the moderators rubber stamp.  Have a nice life.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by vyper
Right fine, stfu and let us get on with the matter at hand rather than directing it towards closure.

Question: Do you believe there is such a thing as free press in our respective nations?

Not in an absolute sense, as all press is 'tainted' by the society that it exists in, and the perspective that provides.  However, placed within that context, some are more fair and balanced than others.  Within the context of Western media, of all the Tv channels I've seen (which isn't much - ITV, Sky, CNN, Fox & BBC24 - and also a couple of european ones I can;t remember the exact name of) I consider the BBC the most balanced, and Fox the least balanced.

Of course, that it also a matter of personal perception.

Originally posted by Sapphire
No, I'm gone.  That way you all can just go on with your little closed world.....delivering hate messages about christian beliefs and the USA and having the moderators rubber stamp.  Have a nice life.

?

I haven't seen 'hate' messages about either on this thread, and offhand the only ones I can think of was Kazan on the odd religion thread, and he was banned from HL general for that.  Whilst I've seen a lot of criticism or dislike of both the US (more appropriately, the US government and their policies) and religion in particular, I've not seen many (certainly not enough to be representative of the entire forum) that can be defined as irrational hate.

[Janos]

Hey I'll jump back on the topic and say

During the U.S. offensive, Fallujah residents reported that they saw “melted” bodies in the city, which suggests that U.S. forces used napalm gas, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel that makes the human body melt.

lol wtf

FACTS DO NOT STOP ME, FRONT PAGE AHOY

[Gank]

Thats technically what it does janos, remember you're 50-60% water.

This was all over the arab news back when the assault was ongoing, and iirc there were a few camera crews inside the city, al-jazeera had guys in there some of whom were killed or wounded, think the BBC had a stringer inside too. There were photos floating about of bodies with no obvious wounds but cant seem to find a link.

Aldo, to some people disagreeing with them makes you a "hater" Its way of convincing themselves they're right and the other person is wrong without having to actually defend their side of things.

[Bobboau]

so... napalm doesn't burn you to death like any other incendiary would, it melts you, like you were made out of ice or plastic or some other material that melted when heated suficently.

[Janos]

Originally posted by Bobboau
so... napalm doesn't burn you to death like any other incendiary would, it melts you, like you were made out of ice or plastic or some other material that melted when heated suficently.

It's special super napalm!

Seriously, napalm is just sticky stuff which burns in high temperature, makes pretty poisonous smoke (what, you think that standing near burning oil pool of dirt laced with aluminium is healthy?) and is nowhere near an accurate weapon.

How people don't understand this (and also claim that using 12,7mm MGs against human targets is against Geneva convention, what the christ) boggles my mind. It's not like it's classified information or anything.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
then we should leave

Oh, don't be silly. Nobody wants you gone. I think everyone realizes your respective positions, and nobody blames you for your opinions or holds them against either of you. You just need to get a little thicker skinned, which, in your case, is going to be difficult when you see what you consider to be insults hurled at your fiance. Which is a shame, coz you're really not gonna like this next part.

Originally posted by Sapphire
No, I'm gone.  That way you all can just go on with your little closed world.....delivering hate messages about christian beliefs and the USA and having the moderators rubber stamp.  Have a nice life.

Don't take this the wrong way - I don't want to see anyone houned out of the community, whether by the group in general or just their own personal perception of the group in general. But if what you've seen here (possibly with the exception of Kazan, who can cross the line at times) is what you consider hate messages, then I'm afraid you're living in a very sheltered world. There's a big difference between discussion and debate, which is generally what we have here, and outright irrational hate.

I'd also encurage you to think about the wording on that post. HLP has representatives from dozens of countries... it's a heck of a lot further from the "little closed world" that you've tried to cram us into. I...well, TBH I really can't finish this paragraph without getting insulting, so I guess I won't. And besides, there's a very good chance you'll not be reading this anyway.

Originally posted by Vyper
Question: Do you believe there is such a thing as free press in our respective nations?

That depends on how you want to define free press. I personally don't see much of a bias in my local news, but that's partly because of the nature of the area. The split between left and right wing ehere is nowhere near as significant as it is in other parts of the world - if we do have a bias, it's gentle enough that it's hard to notice. Also, we don;t have anywhere near as much news as other places seem to have, except on the ABC, which is the Australian Equivalent of the BBC and has always been seen as being very middle of the road. In that sense, the press here is free in that bias isn't a massive issue, and the government isn't hovering over their necks dictating details.

If, however, you mean a press that feels free to report and express opinion as it comes to them, then no, I don't feel we have that. The PC police are too strong for that just at the moment.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Bobboau
so... napalm doesn't burn you to death like any other incendiary would, it melts you, like you were made out of ice or plastic or some other material that melted when heated suficently.

I think a sufficiently burnt person would look as if they had been melted; IIRC (I've not exactly been studying burn victim photos, so this is strictly from vague memory) severe burns result in the skin sort of 'curling' back and flaking - combine that with the skin being burned away to the bone in places (I believe old napalm did that, so i presume this next-gen stuff does too), and the massive disfigurement from full-body burns, and I could see how the body could look 'melted'.

And this might be totally wrong, but wouldn't human body fat liquidize under a high enough temperature?

[Black Wolf]

No, it'd ignite and carbonize in the presence of oxygen.

[aldo_14]

Ah, okay-dok.  I should have known that, really......