Author Topic: Is this justice? (Read 2554 times)

Unknown Target · **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2005, 04:52:42 pm

Yes, but legally, we can only do it if a jury of 12 men finds them guilty, and kill people quickly and without a lot of suffering (nowadays at least, and even the chair pales in comparison to that). Iran, well, they went bonkers with the death penalty.

Carl · **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:09:05 pm

They were too merciful.

Mongoose · **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:13:55 pm

Justice? Maybe mob justice, but not in any other sense of the word. Yes, I know that, if a family member was brutally murdered, we'd probably want to do the same thing and so much more, but that doesn't make it right. State-sanctioned torture and brutal execution? Are you suggesting that that's a good thing? Who are any of us to say that he "deserved" what he got? Who are any of us to say whether or not he "deserves" to live or die? Personally, I think that the people in the Iranian government who support this type of punishment are no better than the murderer himself.

Bobboau · **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:44:10 pm

define justice.

"Punishment that brutal is almost the same as what he did to those childen."

exactly.

an injustice, when something is made wrong, when one person gets more than, or takes from someone else, there fare share. to correct this, that person must either repair the damage they have caused (plus intrest) or have a similar inequality exacted on them, untill one of these two things happens the world is out of ballence and there is no justice.
revenge you say?
so what?
revenge is an integral component of the human understanding of justice, it is just as universal, and many cultures fully embrace the concept. yes it is a deterant, and yes it is punishment, and yes (in the case of life in prison or death) it does remove dangerous people from society, these are all good rational reasons, nice and logical, but they are simply that rationaliseations for people unwilling to simply accept vengance and justice as good enough.
there is a reason why you feel like beating this person to death when you read about him. it's natural, it's the way humans are suposed to act, to force yourself to behave diferent is unatural, it goes against your nature.

Grey Wolf · **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:49:18 pm

This is the sort of punishment supported by the Code of Hammurabi. Are you to say that human society has not evolved int the past 4000 years?

redsniper · **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:53:48 pm

I definitely think that he deserved to die for what he did. However, I think the torture was a little over the top. Maybe they should have just chopped off his 'nads kinda like they chop off your hand if you steal. A public beheading would've been effective too.

Ford Prefect · **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:55:29 pm

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This is the sort of punishment supported by the Code of Hammurabi. Are you to say that human society has not evolved int the past 4000 years?

You don't want to know the answer to that question.

Bobboau · **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:58:00 pm

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
This is the sort of punishment supported by the Code of Hammurabi. Are you to say that human society has not evolved int the past 4000 years?

the aligator hasn't changed hardly in 100,000,000 years.
when you get something right you don't need to change.

if(it_ain't_broke)fix(false);

Unknown Target · **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2005, 07:58:31 pm

About a year ago, a ten year old girl was raped on my island. However, before the court case could close, the accused was found dead.
Not just dead, but he had his genitals sliced off with a knife, shoved in his mouth, and he had been stabbed.
So...that's ok? Besides the fact that the state says that's ok, how is it different from what happened there?

As a government, you should take a higher moral standing than the common murderers, rapists and thieves, don't you think?

Bobboau · **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:05:32 pm

is there no doubt that he did it?
if not /*thinks... double negitive...*/... if there is none, then sence the girl was still alive, then, maybe they should have just stoped with cutting off his balls and shoveing them down his throught. (though a dull knife would have probly been good, or maybe crushing them off with some sort of blunt object)

isn't the trait common to murderers, rapists and thieves that they initiate injustice, they do bad things to other people whithout them haveing first been wronged? isn't that what makes them 'bad'.

as a government shouldn't you enact the will of the people you serve?

Unknown Target · **Reply #30 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:06:48 pm

I expect the government to do what is right. And it is wrong to kill, especially like that, is it not?

Bobboau · **Reply #31 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:08:27 pm

not if they have it comeing.
not if they deserve it.
not if they have done something of similar horror to someone else without cause.

Unknown Target · **Reply #32 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:11:33 pm

Who are you to decide who dies and who doesn't? Who are you to play God, so to speak? Man is not infallable, and more often than not, blind rage blinds him to moral justice.

I want it clear, though, that I'm glad this man died like this. I see it as justice, and I wish he had suffered more. However, if I had been on the jury (if they had one), and if they were going to do it all over again, then I would say no, no death penalty, simply because killing a man won't make those people come back.

Grey Wolf · **Reply #33 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:12:08 pm

Is it truly right to give into the desire for vengeance? Is it not better to kill them quickly and cleanly, as you would do to an animal that had killed humans?

Bobboau · **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:12:41 pm

who was he to decide that those 20 childeren's lives and futures were less valuable than his momentary sexual satisfaction?

Unknown Target · **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:13:25 pm

An animal has no rational thought - an animal simply sees food or a threat and attacks it. A human is cool, calculating, and knowledgable, even in insanity. People should not be put down like animals, even if they act like them.

Unknown Target · **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:14:51 pm

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Originally posted by Bobboau
who was he to decide that those 20 childeren's lives and futures were less valuable than his momentary sexual satisfaction?

He's not that man! No one is! That's one of the reasons it's wrong that he killed them! And we as a people and a government are not that man either! No one is, and if you are an aethiest, no one ever will be!

Bobboau · **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:15:57 pm

and thus, you see the balence of it.

Grey Wolf · **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:16:47 pm

I wasn't implying that they should. What I'm saying is that, in the event of capital punishment being necessary, shouldn't we not draw it out, but rather make it quick, clean, and painless? Is it not the removal of the felon from society that is the important part, not an attempt to force him to feel the pain he inflicted on his victims?

EDIT: Sorry about that, my mind must have still been partially stuck in the Star Wars Character thread and caused me to type the wrong word.

Unknown Target · **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2005, 08:17:12 pm

How so? That no man, and no government, should legally be allowed to kill someone?

EDIT: And Grey Wolf, in the United States, the death penalty is carried out by lethal injection, which is pretty quick and painless.

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