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Which would Survive

Sathanas
13 (48.1%)
Lucifer
14 (51.9%)

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Voting closed: March 18, 2005, 11:51:04 am

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Offline Kie99

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Originally posted by FireCrack
Well if youre gonna give the lucy 3 bfreds then it.

But if you dont inexplicably give the ships random modifications i'd say the sath.


Random Modifications?  The Lucifer has 3 Flux cannons according to FS1, so in this debate it has 3 BFReds.
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BFRed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Flux Cannon. Thats his point.
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Whatever he Lucy has, Sathanas would kick ass..

I'ts bigger (more imposing, carrier more fighters & bombers), has more HP, has more firepower (anti-cap and anti-fighter), stronger subsystems, more engine subsystems and can frag a destroyer in one salvo. We all know Lucy need 4-5 salvos to take out the Galatea.(and even with BFreds it would take two)
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Sathanas. Need I say more?
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Sathanas. Would kill Lucifer in a mere three volleys or so. Its fighterbay is so freakin' huge. That thing could launch cruisers! :eek2:

 

Offline redsniper

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Since the only thing that could damage the Lucy is an uberb33m it could just fry any ships in the area with such a beam (since it has 3 BFReds) and then just kill anything that comes by with impunity.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
for those saying a tactical minded finres captin could destroy a sath, you are forgetting about the sath's ass blaster lred, a deimos and a couple bomber wing's could maybe do it if and only if no other shivan ships were alowed in mission, but a finres would get owned in one lred volly.


We used to test this. There is a way to avoid the ass beam.

Fenris > Sathanas.

 
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The Sathanas would wreck Lucy. Besides, I think the Lucifer and a Ravana is a fairer comparison IMO.
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Offline Kie99

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LOL @ MicroPsycho, please tell me you're joking.
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Offline pyro-manic

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I'd say a Lucifer would last longer, as it isn't vulnerable to precision attacks (ie bomber strikes to the engines and weapons). Also, it is far smaller than the Sathanas (less than half the size) but has 80% of it's hitpoints (800k compared to the Sath's round million). That means it's far harder to find, but almost as hard to destroy. It's offensive firepower, while not as potent as the Sath, is still vastly superior to any GTVA vessel, so there isn't much that can present a serious threat (except maybe a group of several destroyers, maybe a pair of Orions plus a pair of Hatshepsuts would manage it, if they could destroy enough subsystems (engines first, then beams and reactors) quickly enough, but the losses would still be significant.

I think the lack of bomber support would prove critical. The Sath is a more dangerous individual target, but the Lucy's superior durability is key - without bomber strikes to soften it up, capital ship attacks are more difficult as the target is at full strength to begin with (as opposed to being damaged and possibly slowed down). The Sath can be reduced to an effective hulk by a few bomber wings, leaving it as target practice for the capital ships sortied to finish it off.



Much more importantly, however, the Lucy is so much cooler than the Sath in every possible way. So it gets my vote purely on that basis. :nod:
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Offline TopAce

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The Sathanas would wreck Lucy. Besides, I think the Lucifer and a Ravana is a fairer comparison IMO.


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Offline Kie99

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Originally posted by TopAce


Go ahead, make that thread. You will see what people think.


Seconded!
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I guess i wasn't as clear as I had wanted... screw it, I'll make that thread!
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You crazy fool.

 

Offline Hippo

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Ignoring the fleet/backup part of this thread, and just going head to head...

here's more!:

Lucider forward armament: Shivan Super Laser (2x) 15000 damage per shot per turret= 30000 damage per dual shot and 10 second fire wait.

Sathanas forward armament: BFRed (4x) 80850 damage per shot per turret per 17 seconds = 323400 damage per shot per quartet shot per 17 seconds.

Lucifer hull= 800000 = 3 quad shots to destroy = 51 seconds to live
Sathanas hull= 1000000 = 34 shots to destroy = 340 seconds to live.

Therefore: the sathanas is 10.78 times as destructive per shot as the lucifer HOWEVER: the sathanas' 4 turrets COMBINED only have 58800 damage per cycle, meaning that it is only TWICE as powerfull as the lucifer should the beam have contact with the taget at exactly one point (basically, for any target with less than 30000 hitpoints, the lucifer would destroy it in the exact amount of time as the sathanas). In summary, the sathanas can bring more firepower to bear along its bow than the lucifer can, even with the longer fire delay, and is also 1.25 times as strong as the lucifer.
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So, I was right. Sathanas pwns Lucy. :D

uhh, hippo, how did you do all that math? awesome. :yes:
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Offline redsniper

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it was just arithmetic :rolleyes:
I'm not discrediting you or anything Hippo, just... trying to curb Cobra's enthusiasm, I guess.
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Offline Hippo

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all i did was look at the tables/chart, multiply, add, divide, and multiply again... :p
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Offline TopAce

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Yes, that's simple. At any rate, thanks for your calculations.
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Originally posted by Hippo
BFRed (4x) 80850 damage per shot per turret per 17 seconds = 323400 damage per shot per quartet shot per 17 seconds.
 


This is incorrect. The Sathanas Does NOT spend 17 Seconds between shots. It spends 3 seconds. As far as I can see, the Delay countdown seems to begin the second the beam starts firing, meaning its 3 seconds between every full volley.

Test it for yourself.
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