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Which would Survive

Sathanas
13 (48.1%)
Lucifer
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Voting closed: March 18, 2005, 11:51:04 am

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Offline Kie99

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After the weaker Ship won in the last debate IMO
Sathanas Vs. Lucifer

Which would survive a Colossus-less war against the GTVA, if there is only one of each?  Their supporting fleets are the same and the Lucifer has 3 BFReds instead of 3 Shivan Super Lasers, it also has its Über shield o' doom.  

EDIT:  The Über-shield o' d00m! is vulnerable to Über b33ms o' doom (LRBVas/Green and Higher.)

The third beam is either where it is in the cutscene or on the back of the Lucifer.
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Offline phreak

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Where's the 3rd BFred go? there are only two arms.

This all really depends whether beams would be able to pierce the lucy's shields or not.  They are alot more powerful than anything the GTA/PVN had in Freespace 1.  The Harbinger bomb couldn't even affect fighter-size shields, but the smallest beams pass right through heavy-bomber shields without any trouble.  The Sathanas would be made into an oversized carrier after a "Bearbaiting" style attack, then 4 Orions would be able to pummel it in short order.  If beams do pierce the Lucy's shields, then an attack from behind using concentrated beam fire will take care of all of the reactors on the Lucy.  Two Hatshesputs can accomplish this.  Also an attack from behind can also quickly incapactiate the Lucifer since it's engine subsystems are exposed in this manner.  This would prevent the Lucy from turning around to engage the destroyers.
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Sathanas rocks.
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Offline BlackDove

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A Fenris can take down a Sathanas.

 

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BS. A fenris can't take down a sathanas if there was a fleet of them. sathanas would rip 'em all apart, one by one, destroying them in 5 seconds each.
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Offline aldo_14

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IIRC, a Fenris can take down a Sath if it warps in behind, disables the engines, and stays there.

Assuming there's no fighter escort for the Sath, of course.

 

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yes, but it would still take like a day or something, since the sathanas has over 100000 hit points and the Fenris has only 1 anti-ship cannon.
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Where's the 3rd BFred go? there are only two arms.


The secret 3rd flux cannon that was never on the model or used in-game, but could be seen in cutscenes.
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Offline Kie99

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The advantage of the Lucifer is that the BearBaiting tactic couldn't be used against them, since they are invulnerable to bombs/weaker beams, the only thing you could do would be to take it out in subspace.
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Carl is the Shivan expert. he is wise.

[EDIT] OOooooo, simultaneous post :D
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Offline Carl

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The advantage of the Lucifer is that the BearBaiting tactic couldn't be used against them, since they are invulnerable to bombs/weaker beams, the only thing you could do would be to take it out in subspace.


Beams go through the Lucifer shield.
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If there was a screenshot or a very short move of the end of a game> where a fenris takes out a sathy all by itself (no other support jumpoing out b4 hand of the screenshot), that would make a interesting pic\movie.
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just set it up in fred.
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Offline aldo_14

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yes, but it would still take like a day or something, since the sathanas has over 100000 hit points and the Fenris has only 1 anti-ship cannon.


That's what time compression is for :drevil:

 
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Beams go through the Lucifer shield.


Beams go through ANY shield.

The Sathanas is superior to the Lucifer in every way. More firepower, bigger, stronger.

The only thing good about the Lucifer. You couldn't bomb it. So you couldn't destroy its beam cannons (doing that with beams would be too difficult)
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Offline Mongoose

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I'll have to stick with the good ol' Lucy, provided that nothing other than beam cannons can penetrate its shields.  As was mentioned above, pull a "Bearbaiting" on a Sathanas, and you're left with a giant fighterbay.  You can't say the same for a Lucifer; those beams would need to be taken out either by pinpoint targeting or by just blowing the whole damn thing up. :p I'm not saying that the GTVA wouldn't be able to beat a Lucifer; they would, but there would be a guarantee of far more casualties than a Sathanas could cause.

 

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Sathanas is pwning the lucy. :D
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Offline FireCrack

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Well if youre gonna give the lucy 3 bfreds then it.

But if you dont inexplicably give the ships random modifications i'd say the sath.
actualy, mabye not.
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for those saying a tactical minded finres captin could destroy a sath, you are forgetting about the sath's ass blaster lred, a deimos and a couple bomber wing's could maybe do it if and only if no other shivan ships were alowed in mission, but a finres would get owned in one lred volly.
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A Sathanas would royally **** a Lucifer any day of the week.

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