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Offline Cobra

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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
From what i gateher, the pilots are being reassigned as part of a conspiracy, and you are playing one of the reassigned pilots.


yeah, that's about it.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
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Offline Mad Bomber

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Interesting. I was wondering about that; it seemed a little off to me to turn elite pilots into traffic cops, but at least there's an explanation :p

I look forward to seeing the results of your work, Cobra :nod:

I think I'ma stick to ETF for now, tho.
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Offline Fergus

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Sorry, gotta alot of things going on in real life, along with FREDing and testing.
EDIT:also, if you can give FREDers the mission outlines, no point saying "I want 15 missions" and crack the whip.
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Guys, can we ALL stop being ****ing assholes here? I'm absolutely sick of the way others are treated just because you all don't like the way they are doing something.

Cobra: It would be a better idea to post up more details about your campaign here.

Blitzerland: How the hell is his forum hurting his rep? He can have a forum for his own projects himself.

That's my two cents on this whole thing.

 
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Blitzerland: How the hell is his forum hurting his rep? He can have a forum for his own projects himself.


I understand where you're coming from. Ordinarily, no, a forum wouldn't hurt your rep, would it? But, as to this specific forum...

Have you looked at it? :wtf:

Pick any thread, and you'll understand.

  
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I've looked at his forum. It's a small community, and I am a member of the forum... though I hardly post.

I didn't mean to make that post sound like I was flaming you, or anybody else, but seriously, whenever somebody comes here with big ambitions, what do you all do? You flame him into oblivion, tell him he's stupid and that everybody fails on their first try. You all essentially crush their spirits. There are some people here who are wise and tell them good advice, but others just say "Oh, you're so stupid. You can't even make a good campaign because you are new." I mean, come on, the person who is new could have been FREDing since FS2 came out. Am I wrong?

 
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I'm not flaming him. His forum really is hurting his rep.

I would love nothing more than for Cobra to pump out a brilliant campaign, but at this rate, I doubt that will happen.

And he hasn't been FREDing since Fs2 came out. He can't FRED at all, although I believe he may be working on a mission for Karajorma's FRED academy.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2005, 12:37:20 pm by 1278 »

 
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I wasn't referring to Cobra, though it sounded like I was. It was an example, saying that somebody came to the community and was new, and that they've been FREDing since FS2 came out. Should've been more clear on that.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Turn it down, people. This doesn't need to be a flamefest. I won't support either side, but here it goes:

To the older members: Quit being a bunch of crusty old elitists. I understand that Cobra is rarely getting much done, but instead of flaming him, you could possibly try to help him.

Cobra: Don't take things so offensively. It's not a surprise that people get turned off about Pathways since you complain and take everything as a personal attack. Be a little more level-headed, then maybe some people would volunteer to work with you.

Inferno: Not everybody's ended up that way. Take a look at a couple of the best campaigns around. Sync was Ransom's first campaign, and he did it very well. Blaise came into the community guns-a-blazing with Homesick and STL. Not everybody fails on their first try.

That's all I have to say. Now turn it down before another potentially useful thread gets locked and thrown away.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2005, 01:16:28 pm by 673 »
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
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Offline karajorma

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Pretty much want I wanted to say Nuclear 1.

I think we've reached the point where giving Cobra advice of this sort is counterproductive. If you like his idea then show your support. Otherwise keep the general complaining down.
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Offline TopAce

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Cobra, you must understand that most of the FREDers are already contributing other projects and there are only a negligible(sorry, I don't know how to spell this word) number of idle FREDers, who are improbable to take a look into this thread until it does not sink down.

If you are a time millionaire(I don't know if you are this), make all the missions yourself. That's what I did and still do, I only request help if there is a dire need. If you don't insist on having new models, sound and visual effects, etc, than you really don't have much to worry about, if you decide to do things alone. If you think there are too many missions for you to handle, simply remove some non-important missions from the mission list, if those don't affect the plotline.

No-one expects you to be nitpicking about your missions, you don't have to spend twice the time necessary to make your missions playable. This is understandable if you are a rookie FREDer. The more experience you gather the better you can make your missions and the less time you will have to spend with a mission. Don't try to make Bearbaiting II, you should have simple missions. No-one will notice if there aren't any complex SEXP trees or there are only two debriefing stages or there is no AWOL debriefing unless the player intentionally tries to find bugs. Players in this community are not such: They don't play your campaign to find and complain about 'hidden bugs'. They try to do their best to beat your campaign, which means they try to complete it.

This is not intended to inspire you not to make AWOL debriefings. Instead, I only want you to not try make things complicated. Improve on the plotline, that's the heart of your campaign. If you succeed in making an interesting plotline, hunting for bugs won't even cross the player's mind, because he wants to see how the story goes on. To do this, he does his best to complete his given tasks, to see how the plotline develops.

To more effectively avoid people finding bugs, make your missions balanced in difficulty. It is more likely players will find a bug in five or six attempts than in one or two.

I know I said I would not FRED for your campaign, but I will give you advice if you need some.

*expects to receive a number of disagreeing responses*
« Last Edit: March 19, 2005, 04:17:39 pm by 1079 »
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I already announced my retirement twice, yet here I am. If I bring up that topic again, don't believe a word.

 
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I agree with everything TopAce has stated.


What? :nervous:

 

Offline Primus

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Me too. And I was actually happy to hear that...
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Offline Cobra

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Originally posted by Fergus
Sorry, gotta alot of things going on in real life, along with FREDing and testing.
EDIT:also, if you can give FREDers the mission outlines, no point saying "I want 15 missions" and crack the whip.


i had mission outlines in a document ready to be posted, but then i got a nasty virus and had to restore. (Dammit :mad: )
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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Most of what you see in the pathways external is old stuff, from when Cobra first got here.  He's come a long way in a few short months.  Having Pec on his staff was a mistake, that fortunately he no longer has to live with.  He asked for some help, I can't, my plate is full.  He's new to being in a mod and very new to leading one, give him a break and some patience.  

Cobra if you are fredding then it is my advice to Fred the missions yourself, and then have a few people that you trust play the missions separately, and not in campaign form.  What you need more than fredders is a solid tester.  You've shown that you are willing to try to learn almost anything, that's a bonus, put what you have learned to use, and go to town on fredding.  Get a good alpha tester, someone who will tear your missions apart and force you to fix them, and you cannot help but become a better fredder.  

Learn to seperate mission dialogue from story dialogue, and when you initially build your missions don't include the story dialogue, but have an eye toward creating areas where it can take place, and make sure that you note the amount of time that it takes for a ship to go from point A to point B, if this is your "story dialogue time"  That way you know how much time you have to work with.  Start small, first few missions should be relatively easy...let's just get our feet wet and do some story stuff missions.  After that, you can make themn increasingly more complex, but keep an eye on the pace of the missions, and allow it to increase in tempo with each successive mission.  

To be honest, you lack focus, so let's concentrate on that.  When you are building missions, alot of things will enter your head that will be "neat".  Don't do them.  Stick to the story that you have written.  You will have different ideas for the story, don't do them.  Leave the story as it is, until you talk to someone who knows the story as well as you do, and then...don't do them.  Wait a week or so before implementing story changes, they may sound good at first, and then when you have redone the story to include them, you find that alot of the time "neat" means "corny" :)

This is the hardest one....take your time.  there is no need to rush, especially as a new fredder.  

My serious recommendation to you is, fred it.  You will become a much stronger fredder for it.  Don't overplay the missions that you have done, it gets boring.  play it until it is finished, then don't play it for a few months, and when you no longer remember how the mission is built, play it.  It's a different feeling than you get when playing it during construction.  You are new to that mission when you do this, and you will feel what your players will feel when they play it.  

Have fun making your mod match your dream for it.
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Offline yubyub

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YAY! First Post! (wow, that's sad, i've been lurking for years, and just now break my silence for Cobra...) *quickly tries to avoid any welcome-beams headed in my direction*

Anyways @Cobra: Can you email me an outline of what you want for a few missions?  (Nivek_clough AT yahoo DOT com) I'd be willing to try doing some FREDing for you.  I warn you, although I did plenty of personal FREDing for FS2 retail, I'm definately rusty with the SCP FREDing.  If what you want is clear, I'll whip up some quick versions of the missions for you to approve.
@ Everyone else: HA! see sometimes when you do ask, you can actually get results.

 

Offline Kie99

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:welcome:

Exits are to your right and left, and flamethrowers are under your seat. Be careful, though, as they are sometimes filled with water, so bring your own Napalm or try to club someone with the non-working shotguns in the weapon closet. Also, be careful while wandering the ventilation shafts. If you see a large, five-limbed creature that looks really pissed, it’s probably Carl, give him your lunch and he'll hopefully go away.  If you see a big desert creature its probably Raa, give him a fish and he might leave your head alone.  In the event of an emergency, the n00bs will be the last into the escape pods, if there’s any room left. The Plasma rifles in the forward locker are released only under authorization of an Admin, [V] God, or hyperintelligent shade of the color blue. Oh, and whatever you do, don't mention the word Freespace followed by the number 3.


Cobra, do you FRED for this campaign?  If so how many missions have you got done?  If not then what exactly do you do?

I have been working solo on my campaign and have 5 missions done so far  (The first goes on for 40 minutes but. meh.) and have released a demo.  Also it would be extremely obvious that there was a conspiracy in the works if the elitest squadron in the GTVA were being traffic cops. :rolleyes:
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Offline Cobra

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well, er actaully, i'm working on one right now...

also, thanks yubyub. we're using retail, ransom arceihn will be redoing the campaign in SCP. also, i want you to go to Game Warden, register there, go to the Pathways forum in the hosted section (natch :p) post in the open recruitment thread, and i'll give a yell for an admin to give you internal access. (and yell at skippy to add you to my staff list :D)
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 
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ransom arceihn will be redoing the campaign in SCP


Great. Then you'd have to do it twice. Besides, more people around here use SCP than Retail, nowadays.

Ransom should be either creating a sequel to Sync (which I loved), or using his talent elsewhere.

 

Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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That's great Blitzwhatever, it's good to see that people can slam on a mod without ever seeing the internal forum for that mod.  Actually the campaign looks pretty good.  

Oh my, that's your ass that you are showing at the moment.  

With a little guidance Cobra will be fine, and his mod will be fine as well.  I would think that you learned that in your near two year tenure here.
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