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Actually, this would be Colombine part 5 or 6.
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Damn lousy idiot kids.

 

Offline delta_7890

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Notice it's only, or at least, almost always, boys doing this?  I don't see girls going off on rampages like this.
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Notice it's only, or at least, almost always, boys doing this?  I don't see girls going off on rampages like this.
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Part way too many.

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I wonder how long it will take before the fingers are pointed at the usual suspects (i.e. videogames, movies, TV, music)?

I'm just glad this didn't effect anyone I know.
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damn it, they really need to teach theese kids to use explosives. i want a bigger bodycout next time.
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Notice it's only, or at least, almost always, boys doing this?  I don't see girls going off on rampages like this.


It's not that time of the month yet.....

And on a serious note; guns, eh?  Must be really essential for the security of a nation when a 15-17 year old can get hold of not one, not two, but three.....  of course, we banned them immediately after our first incident like this (Dublane), but then we're just knee-jerk reactionaries over the pond.

 
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I wonder how long it will take before the fingers are pointed at the usual suspects (i.e. videogames, movies, TV, music)?
 


The bodies weren´t even cold yet, when they immediatelly pointed out violent games as an explanation. It´s never bad parenting, or violence and gun culture, or the gun laws, for some weird reason. Video games make for a convenient escape goat, don´t they?
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@Aldo_14:

Apparently the guns were his father´s or his grandfather´s, who was a retired cop or something. 2 handguns and a shotgun. But you are dead right anyway. Guns are sold quicker to kids than cigarettes or a six pack of beer. It´s mind boggling how a teenager is allowed to purchase a certified killing instrument years before he is even allowed in a bar. Although this particular kid did not used guns he bought himself, there are countless examples of that happening.

Parents leaving their firearms just lying around, within reach of their children, should be imprisioned for at least 2 years. Then maybe they would start paying attention to what they are doing, and start being responsible for their ineptitude as parents.
In this case however, the parents suffered similar fate, as they were killed first, before he went on and panted the school walls with led paint...

:doubt: :doubt:
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Apparently the guns were his father´s or his grandfather´s, who was a retired cop or something. 2 handguns and a shotgun. But you are dead right anyway. Guns are sold quicker to kids than cigarettes or a six pack of beer. It´s mind boggling how a teenager is allowed to purchase a certified killing instrument years before he is even allowed in a bar. Although this particular kid did not used guns he bought himself, there are countless examples of that happening.

Parents leaving their firearms just lying around, within reach of their children, should be imprisioned for at least 2 years. Then maybe they would start paying attention to what they are doing, and start being responsible for their ineptitude as parents.
In this case however, the parents suffered similar fate, as they were killed first, before he went on and panted the school walls with led paint...

:doubt: :doubt:


That's what i mean, though - why did his parents need 2 handguns and a shotgun?  Why that many?  I know the guy was a police officer (the grandparent...doesn't say how old he is, so don't know if still serving), but that raises more questions - was it is service firearms?  Why weren't they secured, in that case?  Or why/how did the kid have access, if they were in fact secured?

And I can't help but wonder about the ammunition.... i.e. what type / caliber / lethality was it?  And was that level of lethality necessary in what is usually justified to be a crime deterrent weapon?

No doubt someone will point out how this could have been avoided if the guns were properly secured, etc.... and it's a fair point, but this could just as easily (probably more so) be avoided by not having the guns in the first place.

 
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Why weren't they secured, in that case?  Or why/how did the kid have access, if they were in fact secured?

And I can't help but wonder about the ammunition.... i.e. what type / caliber / lethality was it?  And was that level of lethality necessary in what is usually justified to be a crime deterrent weapon?


My father owns a pump shotgun, a revolver and an alarm pistol (wich he gave me to keep in my room), for years. And even i haven´t even seen them yet, allthough i´m 31 years old and he knows he can trust me with them. My father just doesn´t feel confortable knowing the guns are within reach, so he keeps them under lock and key, because there are kids in the house. And he never keeps the ammo in the same place as the guns. Alas it seems that most people are not so cautious with their weapons.

In this incident, the weapons used weren´t the most lethal around. A shotgun is probably the most commonly used weapon in the states. We´ve seen much worst, like Uzis, Mac-10s, and other nasties, in the hands of kids. While i might understand why someone might keep a shotgun or a handgun in the house, ownership of a machine gun is nothing short of lunacy.
I´m not saying the US should ban ALL weapons, but anything bigger than a shotgun should be reserved only for military and police use. Not that it would have made any diference in this case, but atleast some other shootings could have been avoided, and if not avoided, at least decreased in severity.

Sadlly, this incident won´t serve a damn thing, as no politician dares touch the subject. Even if the gun control discussion is spiked by this new incident, it won´t be long before the public outrage dies down and the issue is placed on ice untill the next killing spree occurrs. Then we´ll see another few weeks of heated discussion, and the process repeats itself...
Untill someone with balls and brains sits in the White House, we will never see the end of this.
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Are you saying an M-60 isn't a valid hunting rifle?  *shock* Mmm....mince

:D

Thing is, though, if you keep a weapon safely locked up in a responsible way, aren't you also removing it's accesibility as a form of self defence?  And if you don't lock it up, then surely you increase  the risk of it being used by a kid, or even stolen itself?

Regadless, I can't see any reason atall for allowing people to have 'heavy' weaponry such as assault rifles or smgs, etc.

(In case it's not obvious already, I'm fimrly against any private ownership of guns; IMO guns are designed purposely to kill or maim, so why make them so easily available?)

 
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Are you saying an M-60 isn't a valid hunting rifle?  *shock* Mmm....mince
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Not if you want to retain some meat in the bones of your prey, after you shoot it.
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Thing is, though, if you keep a weapon safely locked up in a responsible way, aren't you also removing it's accesibility as a form of self defence?[/B]


Not necessarilly. You can lock your guns in a gun cabinet, or even your dresser. The time needed to open the secure cabinet is the practically same you take getting it from anywhere else. Also, if you are faced with any situation where you don´t have those extra 2 seconds to spare,  chances are your actions won´t matter anyway, and might even jeopardize your safety because of it.
Besides, the idea is keeping the guns locked away when you are not home, but your children are. You can unlock them at night, when you are home. Most situations where you would need a gun to protect yourself happen at night anyway. And by contrast, most guns are taken from home by children during the day, when parents aren´t home to watch over them.
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I'm not sure about that 2 seconds part; at least by the (pre-ban) Uk standards, where you had to keep guns in a metal locked safe.  I have to admit, I find the idea of unlocking the gun for the night, somewhat disturbing, because the whole gun thing is somewhat unnerving to me.

 

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The bodies weren´t even cold yet, when they immediatelly pointed out violent games as an explanation. It´s never bad parenting, or violence and gun culture, or the gun laws, for some weird reason. Video games make for a convenient escape goat, don´t they?
:rolleyes:  


How about instead blaming the fact that the kid was a known neo-nazi who had previously made death threats but yet no one thought that maybe it was a bad idea for him to have access to guns.
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How about instead blaming the fact that the kid was a known neo-nazi who had previously made death threats but yet no one thought that maybe it was a bad idea for him to have access to guns.


But GTA obviously made him a neo-nazi and his mental instability etc. has nothing to do with it! I mean, did we ever have lunatics before computer games? I THINK NOT
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Reminds me of that article in a news magazine I read just today, about that 15-year-old guy who killed his grandparents when he was 12. With his very own pump-gun. :wtf:
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according to the current UK rules a firearm has to be kept in a locked weapon cabinet with the bolt and ammunition securely storerd in seperate places from the weapon.

Thats gonna take a lot more than 2 seconds to put back together.

Anyway, I have never understood what you need assualt style weapons and pistols for? I mean its not exactly as if anyone is going to try invading the US... The only thing they can be used for is crime. Your not going to use an automatic weapon for target shooting.