[redmenace]

well for the record. hunters and legal trapers do a great deal to control wild life. Wildlife preservation has two sides to it. Management and conservation.

Would you rather Bush give the job to someone who knows jack **** about wild life?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by redmenace
well for the record. hunters and legal trapers do a great deal to control wild life. Wildlife preservation has two sides to it. Management and conservation.

Would you rather Bush give the job to someone who knows jack **** about wild life?

I'd rather he gave it to someone with a simple conservationist agenda, rather than a hunting one (and one skewed towards encouraging hunting internationally at that).  Certainly a person who could be seen as neutral in any conservational vs hunting rights issues that exist or may emerge.

[Gank]

Seems to me conservation isnt high on these guys lists of prioritys
 

The Arizona-based SCI has made a name for itself as one of the most extreme and elite trophy hunting organizations, representing some 40,000 wealthy trophy collectors, fostering and promoting competitive trophy hunting of exotic animals on five continents. SCI members shoot prescribed lists of animals to win so-called Grand Slam and Inner Circle titles. There's the Africa Big Five (leopard, elephant, lion, rhino, and buffalo), the North American Twenty Nine (all species of bear, bison, sheep, moose, caribou, and deer), Big Cats of the World, Antlered Game of the Americas, and many other contests.

To complete all 29 award categories, a hunter must kill a minimum of 322 separate species and sub-species—enough to populate a large zoo. This is an extremely expensive and lengthy task, and many SCI members take the quick and easy route to see their names in the record books. They shoot captive animals in canned hunts, both in the United States and overseas, and some engage in other unethical conduct like shooting animals over bait, from vehicles, with spotlights, or on the periphery of national parks.

[redmenace]

I strongly disagree, hunting is a positive externality for society and should be encouraged but monitorred to prevent over hunting of species and in certain areas.

[Rictor]

We're not talking about the merits of hunting, we're talking about the fox in the henhouse.

[Flipside]

Trophy Hunters dont stalk Badgers to put their heads on the wall. What you need to think about is 2 things. 1 : Why don't they put Badgers heads on the wall and 2 : What's the best way to change this situation to their benefit?

[redmenace]

I am saying he has a different POV than most people that have occupied that spot. I think, we should wait and see with this new appointee. Different experiences foster different POVs that bring new ideas. I am not defending bush's appointee, I am promoting a wait and see attitude.

If he starts advocating hunting bald eagle, let me know. Additionally, I can understand the concern, since he was an advocate for an extreme hunting organization.

[Ford Prefect]

I don't find this nearly as humerous as the recently appointed U.N. rep. who hates the U.N.

[redmenace]

why does he hate the UN?

[Deepblue]

'Cause they made him rep.

[Deepblue]

Whoa, I am the amazing psychic man! Pay me money!

[redmenace]

how so?

[Ford Prefect]

He hates the U.N. because he's a nationalist nut-job. I'm trying to find an article on it. I'm actually surprised Rictor hasn't mentioned it.

[redmenace]

Personally I try not to discount people's opinions simply based on what they have said in the past. That may factor in, however. But, I would go as far as to say he has absolutly no point in his antipathy of the UN.

[Rictor]

John Bolton.

The nominee for the ambassador to the UN, who has in the past come out strongly in favour of the United Nations, with such choice quotes as:

"There is no such thing as the United Nations"

or

‘’If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost 10 stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.'’

or

...many Republicans in Congress - and perhaps a majority - not only do not care about losing the General Assembly vote but actually see it as a ‘make my day’ outcome. Indeed, once the vote is lost, and the adverse consequences predicted by the U.N.’s supporters begin to occur, this will simply provide further evidence to many why nothing more should be paid to the U.N. system.”

[Ford Prefect]

Personally I try not to discount people's opinions simply based on what they have said in the past.

That's sound advice, actually. Just really hard to do.

[Rictor]

and lastly, my favourite Bolton quote:

"I believe that the United Nations can be a useful instrument in the conduct of American foreign policy. ... No one, however, should be under any illusions that American support for the United Nations as one of several options for implementing American foreign policy translates into unlimited support for the world organization. That is not true now, and it will not be true for a long time to come, if ever."

[Thrilla]

I've always depised trophy hunting in a sense of hunting from a list.  I like to hunting.  My father has taken me since I was 4 years old.  It used to be about the only thing I use to do.  I want to wait and see what this guy does first.  I normally take a prejudice look at fellows that are memebers of safari clubs, and I highly doubt he is a good ol' boy from the south by far.  Good Ol Boys from da South don't normally join Safari clubs.  

Organizations like Ducks Unlimited is an organization made up of duck hunters and they are the number one restorer of America's wetlands.  
http://www.ducks.org/conservation/FactSheets/FactSheetWRP.pdf
http://www.ducks.org/conservation/FactSheets/ConservationFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ducks.org/conservation/FactSheets/DU_NAWCA_CONSERVATION_FACT_SHEET.pdf
http://www.ducks.org/conservation/FactSheets/Fact_Sheet_Nesting%20Success.pdf

Not only that, but the hunting and fishing liscenses, stamps, and tags that hunters and fishermen buy are what fund the wildlife programs.

[chriseid]

Ill point something out for you guys.

The Bush administration has named a trophy-hunting advocate to serve as acting director of the department charged with protecting the nation’s wildlife. US Department of the Interior Secretary Gale Norton announced Wednesday that Matthew J. Hogan, who formerly served as deputy director of the agency, will temporarily head the US Fish and Wildlife Service in the wake of the current director’s resignation.

So first of all, Bush didn't make the decision to get this guy in there.

The United States Humane Society, the nation’s largest animal protection organization, blasted the announcement, pointing out that in the past, Hogan was head lobbyist for Safari Club International, an extreme gaming group whose members hunt rare animals across the globe. Hogan will direct the agency until President Bush nominates and Congress approves a permanent replacement.

Secondly, this is temporary while another candidate is chosen.


Therefore, dont get your panties in a bunch.

[chriseid]

Good, the UN is useless as organization for keeping peace. Its developed into a good world charity though.