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Offline aldo_14

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Spam.  (note his title.....)

 

Offline TrashMan

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If I were in her place I would want to die peacefully..

But by that I don't mean death by starvation, but rather some injection or something.
Quick and painless....

nuff said!
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I find it odd that he remembered here saying that she didn't want to be kept alive artificially only after he'd won a malpractice suit.

There is anecdotal evidence that swirling around as well.

There are multiple healthcare workers that state that he has denied her even basic care.  Once of the more disturbing ones told that Michael was in with Terry for a period of 20 minutes with the door shut and that when she went to check on her after he left, Terry's IV had been turned all the way down, there were multiple needle tracks in places there shouldn't have been any(under her breasts, ect) and there was a mostly empty bottle of insulin hidden in the trash.

On a more general note:  I find it horrifying that life has become so cheap that some of us can sit by and watch another human starve to death.
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I find it odd that he remembered here saying that she didn't want to be kept alive artificially only after he'd won a malpractice suit.

There is anecdotal evidence that swirling around as well.

There are multiple healthcare workers that state that he has denied her even basic care.  Once of the more disturbing ones told that Michael was in with Terry for a period of 20 minutes with the door shut and that when she went to check on her after he left, Terry's IV had been turned all the way down, there were multiple needle tracks in places there shouldn't have been any(under her breasts, ect) and there was a mostly empty bottle of insulin hidden in the trash.

On a more general note:  I find it horrifying that life has become so cheap that some of us can sit by and watch another human starve to death.


6 years later (after the suit), he first filed to have the tube removed.  That's a long time (8 years) to wait for any improvement.  

Is their proof of this?  Not anecdotal evidence, because that can be made up on emotive grounds.  And if it is true, why wasn't there legal action taken at the time?  And when was this?  Was it after the first court case actions was taken?  (in which case was it an attempt at euthanasia?).  Because the implication you seem to make is that he, what? wanted to reduce his wife to a vegetative state and fight a (porbably vastly expensive) 7 year legal battle?  Or did he just grow tired of watching his wife suffer?

Secondly, what's worse?  Letting someone painlessly die (remember, her brain is almost literally mush - she doesn't feel hunger or indeed anything), or letting them live in a mindless state with no ability to reason, communicate, care for themselves - a state devoid of emotion, of understanding - of anything that makes the human brain 'human'.  In a virtual coma, without the hope of ever 'waking up' and regaining consciousness.

Me?  I'd choose death over that, any time.

Oh, and what I find horrifying, is that a debate over the right to die has suddenly became a mud-slinging fight attacking the husband - rather than considering the medical condition itself and the prospects of recovery.  

 The parents/relatives objection is because they perceive interaction from Terry Schiavo - isn't the medical evidence behind this what is important?

 

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Huh....as much as I'm a fan for human life, keeping a vegetable (a SINGLE one at that) alive and wasting money and resources that could be used to save perhaps dozens of others simply does not make sense. That, and how can you possibly rationalize putting someone through such a life? It's more inhumane than killing someone. Few people seem to realize that their are fates worse than death; being stuck in that sort of a prison with no escape is one of them.....

Let her die; but make it painless.
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Incidentally, I read an opinion piece in the paper today which constrasted the furore over passing a law specifically to stop Terri Schiavos' feeding tube being removed, against the unwillingness of the same US administration to consider tighter gun control.

 

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Lib: its not about starving to death. The point is that she may be better off dead, and starving her is the only legal way to do it. Sad, but  you yourself have come out (or so I gather) against euthanasia, so unfortunately she has to suffer needlessly. If it was my own family, I would find a way to end it quickly and painlessly, law be damned, but that's not the case.

 

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If she's better off dead, then get a gun and blow her brains out.  Plead Temporary Insanity based on not being able to handle anguish of watching you're love suffer any longer and take you're licks.
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Offline Deepblue

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Starving her is not legal by Florida law, at least what they are doing. By denying her parents the ability to put a freakin' ice cube in her mouth, they are breaking the law. It states that no one may stop people from orally consuming nourishment.

 

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I wonder what would have happened if she was an Iraqi woman... ;)
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Starving her is not legal by Florida law, at least what they are doing. By denying her parents the ability to put a freakin' ice cube in her mouth, they are breaking the law. It states that no one may stop people from orally consuming nourishment.


It's not 'starving her', it's the withdrawal of treatment.  The legal issue surrounding withdrawal of treatment, IIRc, is the same as giving it; it's just that the consequences are generally more emotive.

Now, the parents could put an ice-cube in her mouth... but they'd have to wait for it to defrost, and there's no guarentee it would go into here stomach rather than her lungs; offhand, I believe the feeding tube goes directly into the stomach.  

She's almost certainly not physically or mentally capable of orally consuming food / water, otherwise they wouldn't be using a tube in the first place; her brain probably isn't capable of detecting the presence of food in her oesophagus, or in moving that food to her stomach.

 

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At that point, according to you're standard we should whack you, but what if a treatment was developed days after you're executed
well see, that's a "what if".  i mean, what if the world gets pulled into the sun?  what if you suddenly spontaneously combust?  

... what if a treatment
wasn't developed days after you're executed?


(and let's not mince words, it is execution) that would have restored you to something resembling full function?
and please notice that i never once side-stepped.  i referred to killing, terminating, etc.


yes it's murder.  but it's murder that helps someone.

i DO agree that they should put her out of her misery in a more painless way though.
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Offline aldo_14

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Bear in mind it's not actually painful to her; she doesn't have the brain function for it.

(although I would prefer the option of injecting a lethal but painless & quick acting cocktail of drugs, as used in countries where euthanasia is legalised)

 

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This thread made me hungry.

Also, right to die in dignity should be a basic human right. I have already (I am 21 years old, lol) told my family that if I go into coma or suffer unrepairable brain damage, the plug should be pulled off.
lol wtf

 

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I just can't believe how so many of you folks just don't understand, or refuse to understand her family's perspective of "hope". Its says alot about your soul (or should I say lack there of) .

There have been many cases where people have been LABELED "a vegatative state" who have made nearly full recoveries. I've a particular instance where a lady was labeled as such, and she remembered the entire ordeal, that she was conscious and was trapped in a body that couldn't communicate her her thoughts. She was freakin screaming from the inside when they pulled her feeding tube for 8 days.

The courts did not consider the fact that Terry Schiavo's husband has a conflict of interest when deciding that his decision is paramount over her own parents. He has much to gain for her death and IMHO is a greedy heartless scumbag.

Terry could have been rehabilitated if her husband actually tried to help her. Instead he moves on collects the $$$ and starts another family. Whether or not its too late now is irrelavent. Her parents want to take care of her, LET THEM.

Do you people understand that this is judicial homocide?

 

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Its says alot about your soul (or should I say lack there of)

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Do you people understand that this is judicial homocide?

Nope, I just don't understand. I guess that's probably why I'm arguing the other side.
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Its sad really.

I hope you all never have to go through a similiar situation. Its so easy to make heartless judgements from the sidelines. Let see if your "enlightened" thoughts hold up.

 

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Its sad really.

I hope you all never have to go through a similiar situation. Its so easy to make heartless judgements from the sidelines. Let see if your "enlightened" thoughts hold up.


I went through something vaguely similar last autumn, so :rolleyes:
lol wtf