[.::Tin Can::.]

Well, to be a little on topic for the moment, Michael Chiavo is fighting against Florida law to have an autopsy done on his wife when she is dead. Florida law require that autopsy is to be performed on something like this before cremation. I think he has something to hide, since the whole time he has been denying her any more help after 7 years of court battles to get Medical inssurance of some kind. I think it was a few million dollars that were SUPPOSE to go to her rehabilitation and treatment but never got there... I wonder why?

[karajorma]

source?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Well, to be a little on topic for the moment, Michael Chiavo is fighting against Florida law to have an autopsy done on his wife when she is dead. Florida law require that autopsy is to be performed on something like this before cremation. I think he has something to hide, since the whole time he has been denying her any more help after 7 years of court battles to get Medical inssurance of some kind. I think it was a few million dollars that were SUPPOSE to go to her rehabilitation and treatment but never got there... I wonder why?

eh?  I read he had asked for an autopsy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4390501.stm

[q]The husband of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged US woman now on her 11th day without food, wants a post-mortem examination once his wife has died.

Michael Schiavo, who says his wife did not want to be kept alive artificially, wants the examination to uncover the extent of her brain damage.

Mrs Schiavo's parents, who have fought to keep her alive, are reported to have agreed to the request.

*snip*

Amid bitter divisions caused by the lengthy legal battle, Michael Schiavo has insisted on a post-mortem examination.

"He's requested this very strongly," said Mr Felos.

"He believes it's important to have the public know the full and massive extent of the damage to Mrs Schiavo's brain that occurred through the cardiac arrest in 1990." [/q]


EDIt; oh, and he won about $700,000 in the malpractice suit, not millions. He was offered millions to drop his case/position a few months ago, but refused.

[karajorma]

Shhhhhh Aldo. You're interrupting the demonising!

[aldo_14]

After all.... who needs the facts when you can make up an opinion more easily?

[.::Tin Can::.]

He did not request an autopsy. Not even very strongly. The court cases are there to look at, but after loosing his court battle against an autopsy, he has finally agreed for one to begin. Lemme get a news article to go along with this.

EDIT: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371805/posts

EDIT 2: He must have changed his mind due to recommendation from his lawyers.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/v-pfriendly/story/294367p-252064c.html

[vyper]

Is it possible he might not have been comfortable with the thought of his wife being sliced, diced and dissected? Just a thought.

[aldo_14]

You realise that Free Republic is scarcely an unbiased news source?  (it's a - member funded -  activist conservative news site)

Reuters, CNN and BBC all state the autopsy was called for by Michael Schiavo, not the parents;
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/28/schiavo/
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8016906&src=rss/topNews

With regards to the cremation issue; apparently Florida law requires a mandatory autopsy on bodies to be cremated.

According to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6324-2005Mar28.html the parents have not requested an autopsy.

[Ghostavo]

Someone check the dates on these:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4390501.stm -> 29th
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371805/posts -> 27th
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/v-pfriendly/story/294367p-252064c.html -> 29th

[Genryu]

BTW, Tin Can, extracted from your own links to the New York Daily News :

Others critical of the husband even charged that he wanted to cremate his wife's body to destroy evidence that he abused her. An autopsy could also settle any accusations of abuse.

Note the fact that it says that OTHER people CLAIMED, and didn't prove, that he wanted to cremate his wife. As for the Free Republic site, I give it as much credibility than Fox. Biased to the wazoo, that is, even if there's a few truths mixed into the bias.
And frankly, I do think it's better for the poor woman. Even if she responded to stimulus, I doubt she could have made a recovery, ever partial or full, after CAT scans already said that activty in her cortex was nearly nil.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ghostavo


Someone check the dates on these:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4390501.stm -> 29th
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371805/posts -> 27th
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/v-pfriendly/story/294367p-252064c.html -> 29th

The one dated on the 27th is from a biased source, it's not reliable atall - to be precise, it's posted on freerepublic, a conservative/republican website.  It's quoted as a news source from NewsMax, another conservative/republican website (which has been accused of bias; in particular distributed a 'Deck of Weasels' set of playing cards baring the faces of opponents to the War on Iraq).  It (NewsMax) even has a 'media bias' section which compares non-negative coverage of the Terry Schiavo case (i.e. not actively against it; neutral) to Naziism.

Essentially, it's about as factual & reliable a news source as the stuff Steve the Invisible Flying Goat tells me.

[Liberator]

She died this morning...

Do you understand that she STARVED to death?  That is not a pleasant or peaceful way to die.

[Swamp_Thing]

She´s dead now. Rest in peace.
Yesterday i saw a picture of her CAT scan, and i have to agree, from my layman´s perspective, that she was pretty much braindead. The cranial space was just filled with a black mass of dead tissue.

[aldo_14]

Any death can be regarded as peaceful if you are incapable of feeling or comprehending it.

I feel sorry for all sides, in all honesty, but IMO this was the right thing to do, but possibly in the wrong way.  I would view euthanasia as more humane than simply withdrawing treatment, even if just to shorten the time for the family & friends.

[Deepblue]

It isn't over yet... And Micheal STILL wants to cremate the body (adding insult to injury for the parents), but he has agreed to have an autopsy performed first. Such a *******.

@ Aldo:
So just because a news source is right-leaning it is much less credible than left-leaning sources?

[Ghostavo]

BBC? Left-leaning?

[Deepblue]

Damnit!!!

From one doctor that says she is in a PVS:
"she has no visual tracking and she has no conscious awareness which are the cardinal signs of the vegetative state"

She did have visual tracking!!! Or was that just another "reflex."

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Deepblue
It isn't over yet... And Micheal STILL wants to cremate the body (adding insult to injury for the parents), but he has agreed to have an autopsy performed first. Such a *******.

It's amazing, really; he wants to have his wife cremated, and he becomes a *******.   My grandfather was cremated, does that make me a *******?  

If not, then why him? Because you feel your best defense for your position is to demonise someone who took the opposite stance?

Originally posted by Deepblue

@ Aldo:
So just because a news source is right-leaning it is much less credible than left-leaning sources?

No, any source which leans either way is not credible.  That's why I focus on articles from neutral sites, particularly the BBC.

The fact that it is right leaning, highlights that it has a propensity to be biased in favour of the conservative, republican view - and that view is pretty obvious based on the actions of the president.  In the absence of a neutral factual source to support the article, and clear evidence of the websites bias, I can't possibly view it as credible or factual.

Originally posted by Deepblue
Damnit!!!

From one doctor that says she is in a PVS:
"she has no visual tracking and she has no conscious awareness which are the cardinal signs of the vegetative state"

She did have visual tracking!!! Or was that just another "reflex."

Yes, it was.  I can only assume you are referring to the 'edited highlights'; the 4 1/2 minute videos that came from 9 hours of tape.

Unless you're implying the doctors are deliberately lying and somehow missed this over 15 years?

[Deepblue]

Her parents are catholic I believe. Therefore cremation would add insult to injury for them.

Think about things BEFORE responding.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Deepblue
Her parents are catholic I believe. Therefore cremation would add insult to injury for them.

Well, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was to do so (after all, look at all the ****e that's been said about him), but I'm not going to prejudge intentions just to make a point.  

AFAIK he believes that this would be her wish; if so, what is wrong with that?  Certainly not enough to justify your level of insults.