[Charismatic]

Thanks, Imagine. Yes, i am young and inexperianced. I will keep practicing drawing, and il keep posting them here, if you all dont mind to check em out, and give constructive cirtism (see Imagines post ).

Well i can discribe what each part should b like, more, and i will as i said, transalite the unreadable text sometime. Hehe.

Edit: What is a good proggy (free) to start a moding carear on, and who is willing to teach my humble soul?

[Beowulf]

Sorry dude... I just dont understand.

Now I cry.

[Imagine]

First of all, sorry for labeling you young and inexperienced.

I'm experienced with Truespace, and it's free, so that's what I would recommend. Try this link to get it:
http://forms.caligari.com/forms/ts3all_free.html

Modeling some ship requires you to have figured out the geometry beforehand. Accurately drafting your model on paper is a great way to start. Feel free to email me if you need help.

[Grug]

Shouldn't this be in the Art forum?

Keep practicing is my advice.

Oh and, please resize and crop the images. We only need to see the sketches, not the whole scanner bay. Btw png, ick! Use jpg dude.
png are for spammers like Raa and other senile HLP members...
*hides from projectiles*

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Grug

png are for spammers like Raa and other senile HLP members... :

Hey! I may be senile but so there I was, sitting in my mrym with 26 kills.

[Grug]

lols.

[Ghost]

*clicks the first link that works* .......*bursts out laughing*

I'm sorry, but that's too funny... http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,22680.msg663012.html#msg663012

Maybe you should post them here... oh man.. *wipes tears from eyes*

[Charismatic]

Ghost, what part of "Constructive critisizm" dont u understand? Hell you ****ing try to draw a fs2 model for the first time. What a insult.

@Imagine--its ok, i was fessin up, hehe. I have herd that TS is very complex and hard to understand, is this false?
Geometry? Yeah iv been through that last year, almsost failed but, i got it.. most of time, i guess. Hehe.

[Ghost]

I have, actually... it's in the forum I just posted. Orion vs. Lucy.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Charismatic
Ghost, what part of "Constructive critisizm" dont u understand? Hell you ****ing try to draw a fs2 model for the first time. What a insult.

@Imagine--its ok, i was fessin up, hehe. I have herd that TS is very complex and hard to understand, is this false?
Geometry? Yeah iv been through that last year, almsost failed but, i got it.. most of time, i guess. Hehe.

I presume you mean mathematical geometry; what he means is the model geometry, i.e. the way in which it is structured (in terms of points, lines, faces, etc).

The point of concept art is to provide a blueprint towards that; obviously, it's imperfect (you may need to deviate), but it's by far the best guide you can have.

[StratComm]

Charismatic, sometimes people say something that isn't exactly what you'd like to hear, but in all honesty Ghost is being more open about this than about anyone.  How you expected anything close to a model not on par with the GTD Cube™ out of those drawings is a little beyond me.  Of course, if you were hoping that someone would add the necessary detail and let you claim the design as your own, that's just not reasonable.  Sometimes the only crit we can give is "practice more."

Anyway, TS can be easy if you can figure out its complex interface, and there was a major improvement in the overall program between v4 and v5.  Unfortunately I can't even select multiple faces in TS3.2, much less have it render anything in real-time efficiently, so my opinion of the free version is quite bad.  Not to mention that the Truespace interface is completely different from any other modeling program out there and can cause you real headaches if you ever change over to something else.

[Ghost]

Oh yeah, and Charismatic:

but my drawing skills i dont think are too good

Why is it that you're *****ing at me again?

[Charismatic]

I wont comment back to save this topic.

Yes il keep practincing more, and if anyone has done concept art which is very detailed, id like to see and maby ask a few questions on how to draw certian objects.

I have a hard tiem with Fighter huds, in different positins, the circular 3D aspect. Any advice?

Yes i know about pioints, faces, and lines ect. Edges. Hmm.

Il work on concept art sometime.

Keep in mind, the FS2 C>A> was by trained paid professionals. Hehe.

Edit: Ok if finished another 'detailed' one, and when i have time il post it this weekend. I wont even care to show the first version of it. I scanned it yesterday, its finished except no turrets are added. Il add some sometime to the acutall picture and hope it turns out good. Il start on another one soon. (Another detailed one)

[Raven2001]

IMO, the best program to start 3d modeling is Blender 3d:

www.blender3d.org

It is very intuitive, has a very easy to use interface, and despite what most people think can make almost anything for a game in terms of mesh modeling. Search for my threads in the modding forum, and you can see the power of Blender.

Oh, and its free

[Rampage]

C'mon guys - he's still learning.  Give the n00b some time.  Here are my two-cents:

1. Stop drawing and start modeling.  Trial and error helps a lot!  Seriously speaking, it took me a good month to learn how to model.  Start taking apart Volition's models and completed models by other people to learn how the heirarchy works.  Then you can start making your own model.

2. To draw well, please consider taking an art class.  Those drawings - forgive the criticism - look extremely unprofessional.  And to be honest, I was like that before I took an art course.

3. It's always good for any n00b to snoop around the forum and see what other people are doing.  Take the time to read old posts.  Take the time to learn.  Don't just push your ideas to other people.  A lot of people get really irritated when dealing with new members, so just sit back and let your patience take over.

4. And most importantly, don't try to run before you learn how to walk.  You'll fall!

Cheers,

Rampage

[Charismatic]

Thanks rampage. Ok, so, tomorrow i may swing by ma's house and upload that picture, w\o turrets. But IMHO it looks better then the ones i have shown you sofar, so this wont be laughed at as much, hehe. Il redu the rest of my drawings as i will show u this one, detailed, if i can.

As i said, drawing circular cylinders is very hard for me, as well as fighters and huds. If u guys have suggestions of how to draw these, or examles.. it would be appreaciated.

Edit: I do have Blender, but i find it hard, but havent put of time into it. I recently got a job and im starting tomorrow..

[aldo_14]

If you can't draw perspective (god knows I can't...), then draw multiple profiles; front, side, top, etc.

[Raven2001]

Drawing Perspective is not so hard, if you keep it simple...

Draw an horizontal line on the paper (the Horizon line...), then choose a point on that line. All the parallel lines of the side of the model originate from that point...

I dunno if I made myself clear, it's a bit hard to explain, and I don't have a drawing right now to show you...

As for Blender, it isn't hard, its the simplest 3d package you will ever see... use circles, extrude (E), merge vertices (LALT+M), make faces (F) and move stuff around (G) and you can create nice things.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Raven2001
Drawing Perspective is not so hard, if you keep it simple...

Problem is I (and I'd imgaine a few others) don't keep it simple.... in all honesty, I think it's often down to how you picture stuff; I've pretty much conditioned myself to imagine or remember ideas in planar view.

[Raven2001]

When I said keep it simple, I wasn't talking about the ship itself, but the kind of perspective... there are various, but the one I described is the simplest one, but can get very good results... it is just a matter of a bit of training