[Unknown Target]

Any updates on the model?

[Kie99]

If ETAK was external it would play hell with 'catch the Iceni' Missions.  You'd have to add an invulnerable-subsystem (Is there such a SEXP?) SEXP otherwise FS2's story would be ****ed up pretty bad.

Are you going to add this model to the Asteroid Base (Boudecia) (sp?) Model as well?

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
If ETAK was external it would play hell with 'catch the Iceni' Missions.  You'd have to add an invulnerable-subsystem (Is there such a SEXP?) SEXP otherwise FS2's story would be ****ed up pretty bad.

There is a subsystem-guardian-threshold sexp, where you can customize at what point a subsystem on a ship becomes invulnerable.

[Turambar]

it was his damaged ETAK device that caused Bosch to send the message "hey guys, come kill my crew and take me away to be tortured and eaten" instead of "hey, all you shivans, we got free beer" as he intended

[Grimloq]

..ETAK was ON the Iceni? *Feels he's about to be beaten with rocks*

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by Turambar
no, ETAK was a completely different device, it use d quantum pulses to communicate, not normal comm equipment,
if it was simply a new frequency and language, it'd be a somewhat less important seeming thing and it woudlnt have taken years of research and a coverup rebellion to do

Quantum pulses?  From what I remember from the Tech Room, Shivans communicate through the electromagnetic spectrum.  In fact, your ship picks up communications between the Iceni and the Shivans during the one nebula mission.  That kind of shoots the "massive new device" theory out of the water.  I always thought that the Shivans communicated in the normal spectrum, but that their communications were completely incomprehensible; that Bosch managed to get data from an Ancient archaeological site that enabled him to decrypt Shivan transmissions.  Regardless, I don't think adding a big honkin' radar dish to the Iceni would do much for its looks.

/beats Grimloq with rocks

[Singh]

I'd tihnk that the ETAK device is actually small and probably can be moved around by a man or two - remember, bosch had to have taken it with him on the Shivan transport, otherwise communication would have been rather difficult, now wouldn't it?

[WMCoolmon]

Shivan: *Gesturing with claws* scritch scritch scritch scritch!!!!
Bosch: Uhm...me love you long time?

[FireCrack]

No, it definetly uses quantum pulses as is mentioned numerous times throught FS2.

[Turambar]

see!   i'm not crazy

[Mongoose]

The command briefing of "Return to Babel" does mention quantum pulses, but that doesn't make too much sense, considering that you hear Shivan communications on an allied channel in "Speaking in Tongues."  I wonder what was meant by "quantum pulses" in the first place.

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by Mongoose

Quantum pulses?  From what I remember from the Tech Room, Shivans communicate through the electromagnetic spectrum.  In fact, your ship picks up communications between the Iceni and the Shivans during the one nebula mission.  That kind of shoots the "massive new device" theory out of the water.  I always thought that the Shivans communicated in the normal spectrum, but that their communications were completely incomprehensible; that Bosch managed to get data from an Ancient archaeological site that enabled him to decrypt Shivan transmissions.  Regardless, I don't think adding a big honkin' radar dish to the Iceni would do much for its looks.

Um, Bosch's investigations into the Ancients was in order to locate and learn how to activate the Knossos device.  It was stated in certain command briefings (audio files for SM303 command briefings in the stu VP file), that Bosch resurrected a defunct GTI project involving captured Shivan specimins.  From this, we can deduce that data recovered by Bosch concerning this project, was the key to deciphering Shivan language, and likely also contained information on how Shivans communicate between ships, using the quantum pulses.  So, we would have a translation matrix aboard the ship, which likely would have been part of a separate computer system, so that no one aboard unauthorized could access it.  It would also allow it to be removed from the ship, as stated by the Iceni crew in that mission.  I'm also guessing that if the GTI project gave Bosch the data to create the quantum pulse controler, then quantum pulses is likely something that the rest of the GTVA doesn't have the technology to control, and thus wouldn't be a standard component an any ship.  This doesn't necessarily indicate one way or another that the device which controls the Quantum Pulses requires an external antenae of some sort, but it doesn't negate it either.  I just think it would be a cool addition to the model, as long as its not too large or distracting.

As for the communications in "Speaking In Tounges" on an allied channel, lets just say that this is one instance among many, where FS contradicts itself.

[Turambar]

im sure if i had a quantum pulse emmitter right next to my radio itd make some fuzzy sounds

so hows that model coming?

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Trivial Psychic

Um, Bosch's investigations into the Ancients was in order to locate and learn how to activate the Knossos device.  It was stated in certain command briefings (audio files for SM303 command briefings in the stu VP file), that Bosch resurrected a defunct GTI project involving captured Shivan specimins.  From this, we can deduce that data recovered by Bosch concerning this project, was the key to deciphering Shivan language, and likely also contained information on how Shivans communicate between ships, using the quantum pulses.  So, we would have a translation matrix aboard the ship, which likely would have been part of a separate computer system, so that no one aboard unauthorized could access it.  It would also allow it to be removed from the ship, as stated by the Iceni crew in that mission.  I'm also guessing that if the GTI project gave Bosch the data to create the quantum pulse controler, then quantum pulses is likely something that the rest of the GTVA doesn't have the technology to control, and thus wouldn't be a standard component an any ship.  This doesn't necessarily indicate one way or another that the device which controls the Quantum Pulses requires an external antenae of some sort, but it doesn't negate it either.  I just think it would be a cool addition to the model, as long as its not too large or distracting.

As for the communications in "Speaking In Tounges" on an allied channel, lets just say that this is one instance among many, where FS contradicts itself.

The term they used was "emits and modulates". Sound like a neat idea, but everything would depend on how it'd look like in the end.

[knn]

Sorry for the long wait, but I had a few things to do (including the reformat of my hard drive and the installation process which took me days). So, here's the new head:

[TopAce]

Put some details on the lower part of the head and it's done!

[Cobra]

that's amazing.

eh, what modelling program are you using?

[knn]

I tried to improve the head, but the result is a bit funny:

[TopAce]

What's so funny? Windows.

[knn]

The chamferbox that looks like a mouth makes the face look funny