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Offline Kamikaze

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I thought SMB was supported by any OS X? I use Samba on my Linux machine to mount Windows XP shares. Samba uses the SMB protocol.
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Offline Nix

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What a lot of people do not realize though, is that Stealth wants to make his Mac's join a DOMAIN on a Windows Server 2003 machine.  Networking with Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 is VERY DIFFERENT!  Windows XP users can simply get by with workgroups, and there's where a Mac will join up in a network using SMB.  But, when running a domain with a SERVER-Based OS, it's a LOT more complicated.  

If you have your server running Windows XP Pro, XP machines do NOT use Active Directory for server/client communications. It's the Server OS that runs Active Directory, and THAT is the key here.  When the Mac's try to talk to the domain controller, they have to go through Microsoft's Active Directory, or whatever other database you may have set up, such as LDAP.  The problem here is that using something OTHER than Active Directory can cause more headaches than necessary.  Getting something that is compatible with Active Directory, and according to one of the links I have posted, getting either Panther (10.3) or Tiger (10.4) will directly communicate with Active Directory, Authenticate, and look just like a windows client on the server.

Now, Kamikaze is correct, but what you're describing there is having his mac communicate with an XP Based server.  SMB works with workgroups, not Active Directory, and you cannot just use Workgroups with Windows Server 2K3.

The mac OS X 10.2 and below will only authenticate with LDAP.  LDAP is not a built-in piece of software that 2003 uses.  The only reason you would want to use LDAP is if your server is a Unix/Linux based server, or you're running the dreaded Novell Netware 6 (in my experiences anyway)

If you're planning on upgrading, you might as well just upgrade to 10.4 - no use upgrading to 10.3 and having to pay for 10.4 .  IMHO, Tiger is a service pack to Panther, but I dont delve into the Mac side of computers near as deep as I do in Windows.

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Offline Liberator

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I still think it shouldn't be any more difficult than connecting it to the network.  If it is, it's Apple's fault for not anticipating this need.
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Offline Stealth

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thx Nix ;) that's exactly what i meant.

yeah, i need the MAC to be a member of the domain, and there's a program called "DAVE" that can do that, but you have to pay for it.  if in the end the company has to buy some third person software, then so be it.

In the meantime, i'll just have to run an FTP server on the server, and set up a chrontab on the mac to upload all its files to the FTP server every night, for backup.

  

Offline Kamikaze

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BTW: If you get Mac OS 10.3 you may want to read this http://www.allinthehead.com/retro/218/accessing-a-windows-2003-share-from-os-x
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Offline Clave

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Also this place is a huge help in troubleshooting OSX:

http://forums.osxfaq.com/index.php
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Offline Nix

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Liberator, it's how Server 2003's Active Directory handles network login requests.  it's simply not the same as "connecting to the network".  Joining a domain is a completely different thing than just hooking on to someone's workgroup.  But you're right though, it probably is apple's fault for not including the authentication methods for Microsoft Active Directory till after 10.3.

 

Offline Stealth

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Originally posted by Kamikaze
BTW: If you get Mac OS 10.3 you may want to read this http://www.allinthehead.com/retro/218/accessing-a-windows-2003-share-from-os-x


funny you should mention that, i've had that saved in favorites for about two days :D

 

Offline Nix

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This has all been useful to me too as I'll be upgrading my DC from NT4 to Server 2003 this summer for work.  We have a mac running 10.3 and I'm sure this same exact thing will happen to me.  Thanks for sharing the links doods!

 

Offline Stealth

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yeah, MACs are a pain.  god forbid that MACs and PCs could use the same protocols for file-sharing and domains, instead of going proprietary

 

Offline Kosh

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And heaven forbid should Apple port an OS that is better than windows to PC so most people can actually use it. :p
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