[Kie99]

Originally posted by Goober5000
You could say that the Colossus can't carry any fighters either since it deployed none against the Sathanas.  Yet the cutscene says it can carry 240 fighters.

It had been fighting battles against the NTF, so its fighter complement wouldn't be up to Scratch.

[karajorma]

There's a big difference between having taken casualties and not having a single bloody fighter on board though.

[Fergus]

From what I remeber it does deploy a wing of Myrmidons at one point, no doubt after you have lost all your wingmen(again) in Thier Finest Hour.  I always thought people were maybe a little bit too critical of command, Alpha 1 after all only sees a very small (albiet key) part of the campaigns against the NTF and Shivans.  They did thier best made lots of mistakes along the way and made sure Alpha 1 had an..intresting carrer.

[NGTM-1R]

The Sathanas' carrying capacity probably isn't as large as the Colossus, IMO.
First reason: General conclusion is the Sathanas is not a warship (although frankly I don't agree with that), and as such it would not have a hefty fighter complement.

Second reason: Look at the sheer size of the Sathanas' fighterbay. It can deploy cruisers, maybe even a Moloch (dunno, I haven't tried) from its fighterbay. If one follows the logic that the Sathanas was not a warship, that fighterbay is not large so it can deploy hordes of fighters. Even if it is a warship, it still doesn't make sense to have a bay entrance-exit that large. The Lucifer could launch a few squadrons in twenty seconds or less with much, much smaller exit/entrances to its fighterbays. (Reference the Lucifer CB ani from FS1.) The bay must be that large for another reason.

The only reasonable conclusion I can think up is that they were expecting to land or launch something that large. Possibly freighters, maybe cruisers or corvettes? Taking that into account, and the facilities for handling such craft once inside the Sathanas, the number of fighters the ship can carry must be revised drastically downward.

[Carl]

or they could lanch multiple fighters at once.

[EtherShock]

Sounds like the Executor (super star destroyer) from Star Wars. That thing had a huge docking bay. Maybe referring to it as a fighterbay is innaccurate. Something of that size is most certainly capable of multiple roles. Even a hangar would be a more appropriate term. I doubt it was just used for fighters.  I could be wrong, but why so big then? Why not just a bunch of small hangars?

[KappaWing]

Originally posted by Fragrag


I never really knew, but was Kappa 3 from the same Kappa Wing from the lost patrol? What the hell happened to it?

Actually, the Shivans boarded us and took us into custody. They then made us chug 5 cases of Bosch beers each. When we woke up, we ended up here, at the HLP Forums. Pretty wierd, huh?

[Charismatic]

Iv read whole topic.

Some things you ALL are forgetting.

1) Tech room or w\e said we have learned Little to nothing about shivans.

Thus their stratagy we Still are culeless about.

So the "They will deploy all fighters and swarm us easialy" or "They will send all 80 Juggs right away" things are based on what We would do, if positions were changed, to minimise losses.

Shivans dont give a flip about us. They deploy minmal fighters. How many fighters they deply when we killed the Jug? Not many concitering it was a big loss, or was it? They didnt seem to care, tho if they had 240+ squadron\wings\fighters w\e, they could easially deploy some and kill us, wrather thne having 2 wings blow up 240 shivan pilots and a big cap.

2) Shivan archetecutre is differnt by Far then ours.

Thus they may not care or hold as many fighter wings. Aka, collosus vs sathy. C gets 240, hell, Sathy could have 40 for all we know. The technology, inter system drives + Mega Uber Doomsday weapsons (x4) + Super nova sauce + Green wavy **** on the side + big engins, may take wayyy more power, thus needs more room thus less room for shivan fighters.

GTVA Specializes in making big ships, little guns, and a lot of fighter capability.

. . .

As for the 'we set up all defence and kill them one by one by the bearbateing stratagy' (Which i dont know what it is ATM..still). You say they would deplete our resources, well probably, but defeat us? No they wouldent unless Command is in Command of the fleet activities during the battlles.

I think they would send 100s' of H2's with Trebs, to debeam Easilly the sathys, and pick off any fighters and bombers, then report back, prepare, and kill sathys. They could flood us, 5 disarmed sathys takeing the firepower while other armed ones came in. Its possible, but then again with shivan stratagy and tactics. I dont think they would use the "Protect big ships with smaller cap shield" theory. We would if desprate, but them? Only grouping of shivan caps 4 mutual protetion i can remeber is the thing in FS1 with the foru Hell cains or something.

Stealth terran\Vasudan fighters could stay on the shivan side of node to report and recon ect. Not even the dragon can catch  the Vasudan stealth, i think, not sure tho.

What else was i going to say.

Oh yah. Is it possible, sence pilot deaths, tho high, were actually low cauze of the spreading of "AI and Human" Pilots. Thus were human, and we command the stuipd AI, and there are many many differnt mixtures of human and ai wings through GTVA?

Probably a poor thought theory but.. eh worth a shot.

Edit: One last thing. Command brought the C out from nowhere without us even knowing in our briefing. Its possible they had another C, bigger\better, or started on one, or had other tricks up their sleeve for emergency uses only. Could have helped our 'every gtva ship to the GD-C blockade now!' defence.

[Colossus]

Wasting the bombs on the Knossos. I hear bombs are attracted to large warships.