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Enterprise series finale "These are the Voyages"
Ugh.... I can see why Jolene Blallock objected to it. Riker and Troi and the TNG connection to the series is COMPLETELY uncalled for. Enterprise fans care more (if at all) about the crew of Enterprise, not Riker's mid-life crisis. I guess the B & B genious felt that Enterprise needed to be shoved down the throat of Trek lore by having TNG cast members prepping them up during their own demise. The only redeeming factor to the last episode is a 30 second montage of all 3 Enterprises with Intro monologue we are all familiar with spoken by all captains of Enterprise. (CG TOS and TNG Enterprises never looked better)

Every Trek series produced a finale fit to its series. It fit their scenario and it stood by themselves independently. I guess, in a sense, that this ending perhaps fit the series considering 3 seasons of rather WEAK Trek. The 4rth season of Enterprise showed quite an improvement and the show may have redeemed itself entirely thanks to a shift in creative talent. But alas, since previous seasons sucked, Braga and Berman felt they needed to remind people why it sucked.

All in all.... The series Enterprise is one big nasty cake. Three seasons make up the moldy cake. The fourth composed the DELICIOUS icing. Topped with a steaming turd ball for a finale cherry.

Oh well.... its over. Now its time for the long silence till the next Trek TV carnation.

Braga and Berman....   F*** YOU very much.
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I thought it was a good way to kill it with dignity. I liked the way they connected it historically to The Next Generation without sh*tting out some stupid time travel story. It was actually a very respectable tip of the hat.

By the way, did anyone catch the little insertion of the phrase "all good things"?
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It just didn't FEEL like a series finale. Its seems more like a neat TNG cap. Its last episode didn't even get 2 hours. "Demons" is a good episode... its not even close to be considered a SERIES finale.

Interesting quote by Scott Bakula (Captain Cheese Beagle) "Enterprise Finale Validates Show's Part of Star Trek Legend"

http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1845

I always thought the general CONTENT of a series validates its place in the Trek pantheon. Not its finale!!!!
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I didn't mind the finale that much, and Terra Prime was downright teriffic.  That last scene with all three Enterprises did bring a tear to my eye.  I'm going to miss this show; despite what most people feel, I enjoyed all four seasons.  It was killed off before its time.  Rest in peace. :(

 

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I haven't seen it...but...shouldn't they have connected it to TOS? I mean, chronologically, and fan-wise, it's closer and more well known (respectively).

 

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Terra Prime airs this week for me since last week's ep for me was Peter Weller in a Flying Moon Colony taking over a weapon that shouldn't exist in that time period since they don't even have phasers worthy of the name.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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I haven't seen it...but...shouldn't they have connected it to TOS? I mean, chronologically, and fan-wise, it's closer and more well known (respectively).

Good idea. Let's get some actors from TOS and pretend they aren't 100000000000000 pounds heavier than when they were on the show.
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not to mention old or dead.
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A TOS connection would have been NICE much like the Miirror Universe episode. But I guess Shatner won't look so good in his old uniform. I was expecting the Archer to send off the first Constitution class starship. Oh well... BLEH.

Despite whatever connection, the finale should have focused on an ENTERPRISE based story. This "finale" is nothing more than Braga and Berman pitifully LEGITAMIZING Enterprise into Trek canon.
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
I was expecting the Archer to send off the first Constitution class starship.


The Enterprise NCC-1701 was the first constitution. Archer would have been 140-something years old.

i suppose T'pol could have, though.
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I haven't memorized the Trek timeline, so pardon me. Archer mentioned Enterprise being decomissioned because of the first warp 7 starship. I was hoping to see either a Constitution class (not necesarly the Enterprise) or a new design that crosses this series' design and TOS design.

I guess the next Trek prequel movie will fill in the blanks between Archer and Kirk.

 

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Well, let's hope that if and when the next Trek series/movie is made, Braga and Berman have the sense to stay the hell away from it...

 

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Originally posted by Omniscaper
I haven't memorized the Trek timeline, so pardon me. Archer mentioned Enterprise being decomissioned because of the first warp 7 starship. I was hoping to see either a Constitution class (not necesarly the Enterprise) or a new design that crosses this series' design and TOS design.

I guess the next Trek prequel movie will fill in the blanks between Archer and Kirk.


Let me guess... Daedalus class?

 

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The Enterprise NCC-1701 was the first constitution.

I don't think so. Presumably, the first Constitution class starship was the USS Constitution.
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Let me guess... Daedalus class?

That would have been my suspicion... though said class looks significanty poorer than the NX-01.  Someone would have had to rationalize the change to a sphere primary hull instead of a saucer.

One redeeming quality though... we got to see the highest detail ever shots of 1701-D.  I doubt even Omni's Galaxy would match that for detail... perhaps with normal maps though.
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Terra Prime was great, and would have been an excellent finale on its own.

Liberator's complaint about the anti-comet array seems rather silly, because the phasors on the NX-01 managed to do the same damage as the array did when they were overloaded. (grumbles about lack of overloaded cannon use since then...) With the technology shown in the show, the array device makes sense. Cotto & co. are pretty competent in this regard.

The episode's ending with Archer's speech, tying up the relations between most characters, etc. was a wonerful tie-up.

All of the Voyages on the other hand, seemed rather unecessary.

My problems aren't with the overall concept, but the execution.

A 'holodeck adventure' showing the ship was something sort of needed to give a point of view. However, both Frakes and Sertis don't look how they did ten years ago. Setting the episode on Riker's starship would have been a better move.

Similarly, it would have been nice if the NX-01 was the start of the "five year mission" setup. The NX-01 is on its second such mission. Have Tripp become captain, a few others gain promotions and reassignments, but all come back together for Enterprise's decommission. Archer takes on his old role as Tripp lets him be an honorary captain, etc.

It'd make sense if Archer became one of the ambassadors for Earth and was traveling planet to planet selling this idea of the Federation, and it conveniently allows for this final get-together.

The event with Shren seemed also pointless. Tying it in with the politics of the time would have been better. Such as Shren crossing the Orion Syndicate while negotiating a trade agreement and they kidnapped his family. Enterprise is the nearest ship and is sent there. It seems odd how they handled Shren when it seemed that he was going to become a diplomat, etc. Having it be a "high stakes" thing that could effect the charter would make it better.

Then there could have been a short space battle with the Orions catching up with the NX-01, boarding, and then Tripp's sacrifice to save Archer.

Also, having Reid not on the ship but perhaps one of the higher ranking members of Section 31, and being the person to mention the issue with Shren would have worked. It would have given his character a lot of growth, especially since he was "in the game" again after Terra Prime.

Similarly, Hoshi might have been given a promotion in the time to being a higher up in Starfleet's linguistics. Being along with Archer on his recent mission.

Finally, the 'founding the Federation' scene was quite odd. Terra Prime dealt with the coalition treaties, yet this episode had a similar thing going on. They seemed to be careful to say that this wasn't the Federation Charter being signed but something that led to it... yet the Federation logo was on the wall of the place.

I would have set the episode perhaps 11 years after Terra Prime, and made it the federation's founding. Have Archer mention the Earth-Romulan war, Tripp becoming decorated due to his unconventional tactics using the older NX class ships, etc.

Then toss in at the final scene the NX-01 flying into drydock over Earth (when Archer is saying the "...and boldly go where no man has gone before.") and see the camera pan to a Daedalus that goes to warp.

...and if Archer is to become a footnote in history, why was he at such an important speech? It'd make better sense if his speech in the episode 'Terra Prime' was his big epic one. But overshadowed by the Federation Charter where he may have been just one of many guest speakers.

But the moral of the story is that Berman and Braga should never be allowed to write ever again. Under penalty of death :)

Of course what would be wonderful is having a fifth season of Enterprise (written by the same folks as season 4) start with:
The Ent D flies by, and the shot zooms into the bridge. You see the various crew members working, and standing with them is a Romulan in a TNG uniform along with one of the Sphere Builders.

With some rough lines of dialog such as:
"Unless you destroy the humans, this may well be what occurs."

"The Earthers have already prevented our expansion into Andorian and Tellerite space. We need no additional reasons to war with them. Why do you show me this?"

"Because when the time is right senator, you will need allies."

The bridge then dissolves into a crude holodeck, and then the builder's hologram vanishes.

The senator then walks out through a door where Remans, etc. can be seen.

Cue to titles, and a season 5 opening two parter that deals more with events leading to the Earth-Romulan war.

That way it's a bit of a slap in B&B's face, and the immediate future of the series can be rewritten to a better story arc.
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If there was any way for that to happen, it would be completely amazing. :D

Incidentally, don't ever bother visiting the Enterprise forum on StarTrek.com; every time I visit there, I become incredibly annoyed by the fact that there are more series bashers than fans. :p

 

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It's a pity it's over in a way, I stopped watching the show after about series 2, not really because of the acting/writing or anything, but simply beause I was suffering from OverTrek.

However, it's like Star Wars in a way, keep chopping away at the trunk for long enough and eventually the tree will fall over, I think that's what happened here. The Trek universe is so set in place now that even the slightest variance from canon established in previous (or later) episodes will just make things sit 'wrong'.

This is why it's always a bad idea to make prequels, you are literally a slave to what has gone before, at least sequels give you a lot more artistic license. Bringing in Time Travel again for the first few series, especially since most of the Star Trek team had already stated they were kinda bored with it by the end of TNG, was a pretty silly move as well.

 

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I near cried when Tripp died.

I thought Deanna was actually kind of hot.

I let out a big wtf when they didn't let us hear his speech. I suppose he already gave it more or less in Terra Prime.
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It was stupid of them to kill trip. if it was 50 years in the future and he was old, then it wouldn't have been so bad, but 5 years? I think B&B just wanted to make it so Scifi couldn't continue the show.
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