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Offline Bobboau

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so the evolution game, one or more primitive animals (or plants, for simplisity when ever I say animal from now on in this post I mean organism) will be put up and from them we will _very slowly_ imagine them evolveing.
some rules:
1)with the exeption of the first one or two animals you must use an exsisting animal as the template for your animal
1a)in the first round base animals must be reasonably simplistic as to be reasonable to expect to come from a clump of single celled organisms, at a certan point base animals must be closed out because we're assumeing these things are comeing about at about the same time.

2) if you add something to an animal, you have to go into extreem detail as to how that addition came from, you can't just say "it evolved eyes" or "it evolved fingers" you have to say were these apendages came from and what sorts of mutations led to them

3)were starting off on a world populated by single celled organisms of varying biochemistry. to make things interesting there were (at least) two seperate abiogenisis events giveing rise to two diferent lines of life.

first is the Germanium line, organisims princibly made up of Germanium Selenium, and Hydrogen, also utaliseing Arsnic, Antimony, and Tellurium (as well as smaller amounts of most other elements), this line has many members who are sensitive to free Selenium and produce it as a waist product (they use sunlight to make GeSe sugar like molicules out of Germanium Diselenide similar to how plants use the energy of the sun to do the same with carbon and oxygen) while other members are able to use free Selenium as an energy source and produce Germanium Diselenide as waist.

second is the silicon line, principly made of silicon, sulfur and hydrogen, also utaliseing phospherus, arsnic, and selenium (in addition to small amounts most other ellements). like the carbon line there are some members sensitive to free sulfur produceing it as a waist product (the heat of geothermal vents to brake silicon disulfide into something similar to sugars and free sulfer wich they release as waist) and others that use free sulur as an energy source produceing silicon disulfide as waist.

these two lines do not directly compete for resounces generaly (other than space), and there biochemistry is largely incompatable so they don't tend to eat each other (at this point).

4) the planet we'er on is 1.3 times the mass of earth, it's atmosphere consists of mostly Argon with signifigant amounts of Sulfur and Selenium present. it orbits a stable binary system both stars have signifigantly buler spectrums than our sun.

so to start off the game I'm proposeing the following base animal.
comeing from baceria of the germanium line wich developed a survival stratigy of growing into clusters for defence, and later developed specalisation based on there location in the group. this organism is essentaly a giant stomoch. it has a single opening on the top of it wich opens into a large sack lined with three specalised cells. one type removes water and other relitively useless chemicals from the sac pumping it through the lineing of the sac into the main tishues of the sack wich eventualy expell them through the outer lineing. the second type are ensomites, they produce a ensyme that breakes down just about any germanium based organism that ends up in the gut they also produce a protective slime that prevents the ensyme from breakeing down the stomach wall. and the third cell absobs nutrients digested by the ensyme. the three work in a particular order, when the sack is filled the water pumpers remove as much as they can as fast as they can when there job becomes suficently dificult (they've removed most of the water) they stop working and relese a chemical trigger that alerts the ensimites to produce there slime, and then the digestive ensime, similar queues tell them when to stop and the absorbers to start, when the absorbers are done all that is left is mostly unusable/toxic wais wich is expelled when the organism inflates the sac. now the wall of the organism is mostly a specalised cell type, it has a protene structure on it's surface that causes it's membrane to be a partucular ovaliod shape but when exposed to the right chemical triggers can reverse it's shape, with many of these cells linked together it has a primitive musle cell. it has many bands of these cells linked together to form bands around it's body, when in there relaxed state they compress the stomoch cavity, when stimulated they expand the body sucking in the surounding water and the thick slime of single celled organisms and nutrients within it. in addition it has two large lobes of muscle on either side of the stomach opening (the mouth) that in there relaxed state close the mouth, but open it when stimulated.

this organism lives near the surface of the water were there is an extreem abundance of germanium based life forming a thick dark purpleish soup (the algelike organisms specalise more on the blue end of the spectrum makeing there light absorbing chemicals more reddish than the chlorophyll of plants on earth)

it reproduces via spore like buds that float away in the water.

now you only have to go into this much detail if your makeing a base organism

and a piture of the beasty, wich is why it's in the art forum.
I'll try makeing a few variants to get things moveing if no one else does
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Offline FireCrack

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Bob, you should give it a name (that will stay consistent wiht evolution) for clarity of the thread.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline Bobboau

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eh... stomochpod, how's that sound?
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gastroped if you're going to be specific... :p
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Offline Bobboau

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well it isnt a stomoch foot, its a pod that's basicly a stand alone stomoch.
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Offline FireCrack

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Filmoid

Lifeform based on silicon


The Filmoid is a one cell thick filmlike creature with indeterminate growth (For those who dont knwo what this means, trees have indetrminate growth, branches anywhere, whereas humans do not ,set position for ams and legs).

The Filmoidhas low level of cell spesilistation from two major cell types, one that pumps water and extracts energetic molecules from it, and another that produces a cement to bind the organism in place.

A small filter feeder, the filmoid creates water currents through it thin filmlike body by the use of energy to move cillia like strand located in pores throughout the body. Nets of strandlike ensymes woven through these pores bind with energy sources in the water and break them down causing a change at their other binding sites within the cell causing the connection of two organic phosphate molecules. This diphosphate group is the base form of the organism's energy.

Unicellular organisms blocking the pores typicaly will recive a low level of nutrition due to the water flow and may die. The Filmoid posseses an early symbiotic relationship with organisms able to resist the water flow that break down organisms stuck inthe pores causing a downfall of all it's internal molecules to feed the filmoid (if it is silicon based)

The filmoid is venreble to organisms that will attack it but due to the size ofthe organism it can normaly repair any damage done.

Deep in the depths of the ocean the creature needs no protection from sunlight and thus takes on a clear unpigmented translucent look.
 
The filmoid reproduces asexulay by splitting of individual sheets into two or by loss of a part of a sheet that will drift off and grow into a new creature.

« Last Edit: May 15, 2005, 11:02:50 pm by 2073 »
actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
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Offline Bobboau

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liveing near the surface exposes the stomachpod to much UV radiation, while some develop thicker layers of defencive outer cells others grow in a maner that gets them partaly burried, leaveing only there mouth exposed and needing defence, thicker mouth coverings also alows them to funnle more into there mouth, eventualy also allowing them to scope surounding dirt (rich in untapped nutrients) into there mouths the muscles in these mouth covereings become arainged in ways that allow them to not only open and close but also to move in a manner that allows them to scoop dirt. however the motions are still controled by simple chemical queues, and it depends on currents and such to bring soil to it.
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Offline FireCrack

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Stomachpod Drifter

For those that moved deeper rather than shallower divergent evolution held a different path. The water pumping cells began to form on a thin wavy membrane to increase pumping area. At the same time small hollow body cavities formed allowing the stomachpod to float. Currents could then carry it while it picked up organisms and rapidly filtered out water. Though this consumed more enrgy the vast amounts of organisms taken in from the current more than offset this. Every few minutes the organism will close it's mouth to digest it's food before continuing to take in microorganisms.



The planet is Rigel 4, jsut saying that for clarity.

And bob, gastro doesnt mean foot, pod does.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2005, 12:31:23 am by 2073 »
actualy, mabye not.
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3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
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Offline Bobboau

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gastropod means somoch foot, and it's used to describe slugs and stuf I think...

there need to be a few more intermediaries before they go jet propelled, first there needs to be a seperation between the mouth into a 'in' opening and an 'out' opening, this seems like a likely thing to happen given seperate orifices would mean that waist gets removed more effectively. given that, the outlets would likely be, initaly at least, still twards the "top" of it, though eventualy they would likely move away to better remove waist. after that they could use more powerful expultion muscles to do a squid like jet propultion like you've got there, and they'd then have mobility and access to both deeper water plankton cover and the ability to filter larger areas.

/*(just filling in some blank spots I saw)*/
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Offline FireCrack

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Yeah, i just realised i contradicted myself, if the cellullar ones still existed this would be possible, but not fast enough... editing.

There, now it just drifts and filters out unicellular organisms.

Note, there is no "out opening" at this poinnt, there is no physical connection between the mouth and the back part, it's all water pumped through cells. Waste is still removed from the mouth.


Basicly the wall got more surface area (folds) and it got some primative ceolem(sp?)


« Last Edit: May 16, 2005, 12:43:43 am by 2073 »
actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
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"Your ever-constant homily says flaw is discipline, the patron saint of imperfection frees us from our sin. And if our transcendental lift shall find a final floor, then Man will know the death of God where wonder was before."

 

Offline Bobboau

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ahh, so it's sort of like how we piss :)
who'd have thought that would be used as a means of propulsion :D

what you have now seems fine, no jumps.
exept why did the cavities form? symbiotic alge of some sort?

Excavateing Stomochpod
ok next step of mine, the nutrient rich soil of the sea floor is too good a bounty to pass up, after a while some burowing stomochpods changed there orientation. the motion of there mouth parts was easily adapted to both scoop food and move the organism. every few minutes it will scoop another mouthfull of fresh life giveing mud into it's digestive chamber, then as it's ejecting the ineatable parts it's mouth flaps will move back pushing the organism into the hole it made a moment earlier before grabing more dirt to filter. when it ejects it's waist it tends to colect more tward the botom of it's mouth, waist removeal was more effecent whith a larger slit shaped mouth opening that goes more twards the belly. the excavateing stomochpod leaves a tell tail trail of digested dirt in a ditch behind it.
given the fact that it is now moveing a elongated and more arodynamic shape proved to be more effecent. thicker specalised skin on it's back forms to protect against the radiation danger, and the belly develops defences against it's own waist wich it is almost always soaking in.
those stomochpods able to move there mouth covers and body more efficently now have an upper hand and varius mechnisms begin to develop for more refined movements.
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Stomochopod Spinedrifter

This relative of the Stomachopod Drifter now has pigmentation which matches closer to its surroundings, preventing it from being eaten by predators.

Its mouth cavity has increased to a larger size, allowing for it to envelop prey that floats into its mouth.

Another recent development are the specialized spine-like extremities. These are created by symbiotic microbes which cause callusing of the tissue, leading to the formation of these spires over time. These microbes are toxic, and so these protrusions can serve as a way of stunning prey.

Each Spinedrifter has a different spine pattern since the locations of the symbiote infections vary per spinedrifter.

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no preditors have evolved yet (exept yours maybe), everything's still to stupid to track anything else down, let alone haveing eyes (wich are extreemly complex things to evolve, needing a whole bunch of prerequisites like something to act in a similar fasion as a nerve and some nervious system like mechinism to use the information colected by the eyes) for camoflage to do any good. were basicly dealing with spunges with primitive muscles at this point, the development of a nerve type cell is a huge leap, though sence all decendents of the stomochpod have the ability to triger cell actions to certan chemical stimuli something like a nerve cell (though not nesisarily exactly like it) could come about at any time.

and I'd think the water would be yellow/orengeish with all that sulfur and selenium. everyone else seems to think it should be blue though :)
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Offline FireCrack

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Wasn't thinking about water color.

My ceoloms came from infolding of membranes FYI.
actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
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Ammogemm (Latin: Sand Bud)

The Ammogemm started as a single celled germanium life form in the tidal pools on the shoreline. as the cells collected into colonies and organized into specific functions, this organism moved toward the water and established itself in the breakers were it would get a constant supply of microbes to filter through it's opening at the top. It has a very thick hide (5-6 millimeters thick) to protect itself from the crashing waves, which do to it's constant exposure to the sun, becomes leathery at only a few weeks old. Any that take longer than this could be mashed to death by the breakers.

The Ammogemm reproduces by asexual mitosis. after it has reached it's maximum size of about 6 inches long, it may break off a piece about half an inch, which falls to the ground and is moved around by the current for a few minutes until it digs it's beak into the sand. reproduction will almost never occur if the cluster the Ammogemm is in is too large (about a dozen). accationally an Ammogemm will unlatch itself from the sand to break off into a new cluster. it will wait until the waves carry it to an isolated spot on the beach, then dig itself into the sand once more.

Ammogemms only "sleep" during high tide when they are submerged in water. when their skin detects high amount of argon, meaning they are no longer submerged, they wake up and begin filter feeding again.





BTW, can i have this one all to myself? i've got "plans" :D
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if someone has an evolutionary split it won't interupt your plans.

Crawler
with those excavateing stomochpods best able to move through the mud being most sucessfull, the muscle paturnts origonaly made for filling and expelling the digestive sack begin to diferentiate, into inner and outer layers, the outer layer's muscles move in a wave like motion initaly by each band being trigered by the muscle band before them. some muscle cells become specalised in detecting the state of other muscle cells and telling other muscle cells when to flex and relax. these cells operate by chemical mesengers and eventualy develop into networks throught the body of the oraganism allowing complicated organised movement, they form something that acts as a simple nervous system, it's design is however distributed throut the body of the organism rather than centralised. it is able to contract one side of it's body to turn for instance rather than just randomly squiqleing around, soon some of these comunication cells develop the ability to sence things other than just the state of other muscles or other physical states in the body, giveing the system external stimuli. when it ditects stronger light on one side it moves away from it, when it detects stronger food on one side it moves tward it.

though the organism does not look externaly much diferent at this point it has had a major evolutionary advance it is now able to, on an extreemly simple level, react to it's environment, to think in a very very primitive sence of the word.

other internal changes brought on by this:
with the greater energy requierments simply defuseing Selenium from the sorounding water was insuficent, small muscle lined chanles in the tisue formed allowing selenium (and other nutrients) rich body fluids to circulate more redaly to the muscles, these chanles begin forming into a serese of networks all interconected tisue at some of the nodes in these chanles form into one way valves wich force the fluid into the tisues and out again, enhanceing this action the valves developed stronger mucular suport and began actively pumping in sequence usieng the newly formed decentralised nervious system. this gave the organism a consiterable energy edge.
in order for the nerve cells to function properly, they need a steady suply of sevral elements most importantly the alcaline Strontium, unfortunately the suply of Strontium is not always suficent, leading to eradic neriuos behavior, wich is especaly bad now that it's circlitory system is in place and dependent on the nervious system, with seasonal fluctuations in Strontium levels many crawlers die. soon they begin storing concentrated pocets of Strontium thruout there bodies
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Hetrotrophic Filmoid

For those that stayed in the depths they were blind, for they could not see the light.

When the filmoid movedto the more life filled habbitats at lower depths  it became slowly capable of ensymatic activity to break down microorganisms. As this happened current slowly changed from through the film to across it and into large openings. This way any potential food would pass through a large "forest" of ensymes rather than simpy through a pore with a thin net. The cillia in the pores evolved to become larger, whiping across the surface and generating a stronger current to draw food across it's surface. The larger protein count made the creature less translucent.


actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
"Your ever-constant homily says flaw is discipline, the patron saint of imperfection frees us from our sin. And if our transcendental lift shall find a final floor, then Man will know the death of God where wonder was before."

 

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Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
if someone has an evolutionary split it won't interupt your plans.


that's true.

Dune Ammogemm

Over time, the rigours of the Ammogemm's lifestyle caused it's beak to become longer and more powerful. the elastic cords in it's beak that function the same way as muscles grew thicker and tighter, and soon it was able to move itself through the sand on it's own accord, no longer relying on the waves for transportation. As the Ammogemm's diet expanded from ocean microbes to microbe colonies in the sand (thanks to it's new mobility), it moved inland and set itself on the dunes. It's skin cells grew into bigger scaley bumbs, since it was now all the full mercy of the suns and sand blasting wind.



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Hoover

Evolved from the hetrotrophic filmoids, hoovers have forgone their cementing to the sea floor and have attained an even more saclike shape. Their new form somwhat resembles a cylindrical tube with openings at both ends. Proteins have helped somwhat stiffen the creature, in addition to the adittion of another few layers of cells.

The Hoover uses a system of pulsating muscle cells, exchibiting electrochemical interactions between oneanother that cause their contractions to move in time, cearing a ripple moving down the length of the creature. Towards it's front end some cells have adapted internal timers wich set off and control the muscle contraction sequences.

In addition to the muscles cillia lining it's interior still beat away, though they are mainly vestigial and are becoming less and less common. They ar harboured by the same cells that work as muscles.

Rather than having external digestion by proteins certian specialised "capture cells" lining the interior catch passing microbes on protein nets and endocytose them, absorbing before digesting. Bridges between the cells maintain energy distribution.

The cells on the tubes exterior are dead at maturity harbouring only a protein scaffold they constructed while still living.

A layer of reproductive cells divides into cells able to become either exoderm cells, endoderm muscle cells, or endoderm digestive cells.



Anatomy



Cell layer corss-section

actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
"Your ever-constant homily says flaw is discipline, the patron saint of imperfection frees us from our sin. And if our transcendental lift shall find a final floor, then Man will know the death of God where wonder was before."

 

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Ammoerpes (Latin: Sand Crawler)

The Dune Ammogemm's beak continues to grow and strengthen, eventually allowing itself to pick itself up out of the sand whenever it feels, instead of just during feedings. The lips on it's mouth have become longer and stronger, allowing it to harvest the microbe colonies more easily. It's skin cells have completed the tranformation into true scales. It has also become more slender, making it easier to move about in the sand. Random clusters have turned into to families, although there is no social order. At 5 inches across and 8.5 inches from beak tip to lips, the Dune Ammogemm is now the Ammoerpes.



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