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he won because he sucked straight up to both sides at once, and did so quite skillfully
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And because the electorate were far too stupid to see that was exactly what he was doing.
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That makes no economic sense at all.  Less imports means consumers have to buy higher priced american goods, loosing money.  The american manufacturing company will pay a higher wage to american employees than chinese, but the american employee has to pay a higher price, so that increase dosnt really matter. Hell, the wages of the chinese employe will be able to buy more beacause of the cheap prices due to lack of taxes and tariffs on the stuff he buys.   Basically, more american jobs are being created at the expense of the consumer.



You know how much they pay Chinese workers? It's, like, $5 per T-shirt or something. Then that shirt gets sold here for about $80-$100. If that's not getting ripped off, I don't know what is. The companies that make these things could probably survive a move to the US.


Also, Bush won because had "good Christian values" and brought out most of the Christian voters in the South. It's known that they're the ones who brought him to victory, and a lot of Christians I talked to voted for him because he had "good values".

Another reason he won was because a lot of Americans didn't want to switch presidents in the middle of a war.

But this thread isn't about how or why he got elected :p

 

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Another reason he won was because a lot of Americans didn't want to switch presidents in the middle of a war


Despite the fact that the US is not really at war.

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And because the electorate were far too stupid to see that was exactly what he was doing.


Bingo. :)
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Offline Unknown Target

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Despite the fact that the US is not really at war.



Er...then what were we doing in Iraq when we attacked? Taking the Iraqi soldiers out for a picnic?

Sure, the administration might say that we're not at war right now, but we are, and everyone else knows it. We are fighting a guirrillae (spelling?) war in Iraq right now.

 

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Er...then what were we doing in Iraq when we attacked? Taking the Iraqi soldiers out for a picnic?



There was no declaration of war. In fact the administration went out of its way NOT to declare war.
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Just  because they haven't declared it doesn't mean we're not at war. Everyone else considers us "at war" but the administration doesn't want to come out and say it.

 

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I can't help but wonder why a President is rewarded for starting a war with a fairly decrepit, non-threatening country with another 4 years.....

Mind you, so was Tony Blair (66 seat majority with 36% of the vote - WTF!?), so us British voters aren't much brighter either....

  

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I can't help but wonder why a President is rewarded for starting a war with a fairly decrepit, non-threatening country with another 4 years.....

Mind you, so was Tony Blair (66 seat majority with 36% of the vote - WTF!?), so us British voters aren't much brighter either....


Agreed. What kind of democracy is that?
The only reason left for the war is now: "Saddam is an evil man".

That's an oppinion. You can't start a war because you don't like somebody.

They lied to the the american people. They said there was a proof for the weapons of mass destruction. They knew it was a lie before.

How can anybody vote for Bush again? :mad:
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Agreed. What kind of democracy is that?
The only reason left for the war is now: "Saddam is an evil man".

That's an oppinion. You can't start a war because you don't like somebody.

They lied to the the american people. They said there was a proof for the weapons of mass destruction. They knew it was a lie before.

How can anybody vote for Bush again? :mad:


I could almost have accepted the war if the basis was that Saddam was a bit of an evil ****er.  

But even then, the worlds not exactly short of them, and more than a few are propped up by the US (being the largest country and hence able to do so; the UK can't, so we haven't  really done so... that i can think of at least).

The whole war, even from a domestic perspective only, was a betrayal...  Of the people, who should rightfully be able to expect an honest government, and of the troops, who shouldn't be made to risk their lives on the back of a lie.  It pisses me off, because I feel like theirs millions of voices crying out for a say, and being ignored.

This is going a mite OT, though.  Perhaps I can tie in the two :D...

I think... it's interesting that the US is perhaps introducing protectionist trade, yet the satellite state of Iraq has one of the most 'open' markets in the world.

 

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You all are aware that the Chinese Yuan is deliberately undervalued by up to 40% versus the US dollar, right?  Considering the trade that goes on between the two that is a simply immense imbalance towards China.  China is on the brink of achieving 'currency manipulator' status due to this.  And you guys are saying the US is in the wrong over this?

Seriously kids, stop the reflexive anti-Americanism.  It's possible that someone else is guilty.
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You all are aware that the Chinese Yuan is deliberately undervalued by up to 40% versus the US dollar, right?  Considering the trade that goes on between the two that is a simply immense imbalance towards China.  


This is only a temporary action to stabilize China's economy.

And just because China does this, it doesn't mean every country should do so.

I'm not anti-American. I like America. I just think nobody will benefit from this action.
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Offline Zarax

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The problem with chinese imports is not that they are cheap or whatever...
The fact is that they churn out cheap imitations of high quality, pricey stuff.

That's what hurts the businesses most, here in EU we suffer the hell out of it as it takes revenue out of the legitimate maker and hits the maker's image as the chinese stuff is not quite the same when we talk about quality...

It would be more complicated but a lot more honest if the restrictions were imposed on these products, that way jobs are saved and cunsumers gets chep stuff if they want it...

*NOTE: chinese items on the market are a 20 years old thing, what we're seeing is a side effect of WTO acceptance that made exporting stuff a lot easier for them...

**Rant: no one is clean, everyone tries to create products very similar to foreign stuff, don't get me started on it as we italians are a bit "upset" (read: outraged) when we see stuff like "parmesan" and so on...
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Mind you, so was Tony Blair (66 seat majority with 36% of the vote - WTF!?), so us British voters aren't much brighter either....


Never said they were. At least they didn't increase his majority though. Shows at least some rational thought is getting through (Or at least that the sheep are bleeting more than one set of rhetoric at a time).
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Our electoral systems unrepresentative, that's our problem.  US has the same problem too, AFAIK; particularly the whole electoral college thing.

 

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Never said they were. At least they didn't increase his majority though. Shows at least some rational thought is getting through (Or at least that the sheep are bleeting more than one set of rhetoric at a time).


Majoritary system with proportional quota... Favours political stability and at the same time gives a better chance to smaller parties to get some voice...
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You know how much they pay Chinese workers? It's, like, $5 per T-shirt or something. Then that shirt gets sold here for about $80-$100. If that's not getting ripped off, I don't know what is. The companies that make these things could probably survive a move to the US.


no, thats good business practices right there. were talking an unskilled labor force that can live off less, making stuff to sell to those , overtaxed americans who are used to buying stuff at that price anyway.  The 75 dollars like company makes goes to paying for their expenses company wide, so americans can keep getting their ****.  getting rid of the sanctions would improve the situation of the chinese worker,  because american companies would have to reduce their price for their shirt cuz of competetive pressures, and chinese workers would be gettin less ripped off so to speak.  saying the chinese workers are getting ripped off is just stupid, thats the way its worked for centuries,  make **** at low price and sell it high as you can, and what your saying is that chinese industry should shoot itself in the foot because its trying to make money
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I'm against protectionist policies like this... mostly. What I would say however is that just because the poor have always been trampled on for the sake of global profits, does not mean it should always be that way, Drew.
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What...?
The US is imposing the new regulations on China, not China imposing the regulations on themselves. So...when it costs more to import Chinese goods, you're saying that the American companies are going to pay them more? Huh? What're you trying to say?

 

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What...?
The US is imposing the new regulations on China, not China imposing the regulations on themselves. So...when it costs more to import Chinese goods, you're saying that the American companies are going to pay them more? Huh? What're you trying to say?


i dunno where you got that idea, but i was just responding to a statment that was already random and off the wall and didnt really have anything to do with the thread topic.
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