[MatthewPapa]

And by no means am I trying to be racist (nor am I racist for that matter.) I am just stating about what I have observed over my years of living in texas.

[Nuke]

i did live in arizona for 4 years.  and i didnt much mind the mexicans. i worked with several. they are hard working people. most of them know more languages than your average white american. we could learn from them. i think we should aproach langueages the same way european schools do, make it mandatory to learn more than one, usually they would teach languages of neiboring countries. just because america is a big country doesnt mean we should avoid learning the languages of our neibors.

as for taxes, the number of mexicans dodging there taxes cant be as bad as the number of white people dodging theirs

[vyper]

British schools took that approach for Modern languages. I hated every minute of French.

I couldn't even choose German, or Italian, like I chose Physics over Biology  - it was bloody abritrary and annoying.

[DeepSpace9er]

1. Stop working our farms? Stop bagging our groceries? Stop serving our burgers? Stop mopping our floors? Stop cleaning our toilets?

Suppose robots are built to do these menial tasks, which someday they will be im sure. Then what? What do you do with a bunch of people with very little skill, little education, who only speaks spanish and has found it very hard to adapt to the american working society? Im talking about people who shouldnt be here aka ILLEGAL immigrants.

[Setekh]

That's horrible. I know all the laws governing this, but this is still a sad day when things like this happen in our world. It would be a tragedy if this world didn't actually have a real source of hope.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by MatthewPapa
Too all of the people who disagreed with me on 1, 2 and 3

Come live in Arizona, New Mexico or Texas and I think you will change your mind.

Ahem. And California is any different?

Bob:
- Taking them? No. But if they feel their country sucks, and they feel so inclined as to come here and take up jobs which seem like cake to them, or are worth it anyway, why not let them? Especially as they are jobs the average "american" would ***** about doing in the first place. Yes, there is quite the potential for exploitation of said immigrants,. Yet they are willing to come here and do **** jobs for minimum pay, and for the most part, they are happy to do so compared to what they didn't use to have. Don't complain if someone is willing to work harder than you are to earn a living.

- Alright.

- The difference is that there are no Inidians anymore, save for the... what.. maybe... hundred thousand at the most left? And they're spread all across the states.

There's a flaw in your analogy though. If I were to move to France, I would be totally out of place. Unless there was a town of English speaking Americans in France, yes, I damn well better learn French, or suffer the obvious. However, the difference between me moving to France, and Mexicans living in the states is that:

1) They never really left. As a result, have the people here, in the border states especially, already speak primarily spanish.

2) The French didn't conquer France from English speaking people as far as I know. If I were to move to France and speak English, it'd be almost the same as if I were to move to China and speak English. The difference is that We took the Mexican's land away from them, but never forced them to stay out. When they "move" to the US, legally or otherwise, they're moving physically, yes. Yet, culturally, it's the same thing.  

Now, either you know some exceptional immigrants, or you know some who moved straight into 'American' society. While immigrants probably should learn English, when moving into a self-containable community as they do, it isn't always a priority or necesary for them. If you look at history, you'll see that in the late 1800's and early 1900's, a lot of immigrants came over from Europe and lived in communities with others of their ethnicity, especially on the East Coast. In short order we had Dutch, Irish, and German cities, and a lot of them spoke their native tongue within them. Newspapers, shops, communication, all in their language. While they eventually grew out of it, it was entirely possible for them to come here and not 'learn your language' and still be American. Hell, you go to Chinatown in San Francisco, and a lot of the Chinese there, particularly the older ones, don't know perfect, or even great English. Maybe enough to get by, or to make money, but certainly not on a grade school level even. And nobody *****es about them.

- Why not? Which brings me to another question... Why do you even care?

[Nuke]

dosnt the average chineese person speek adequit englisg, i think i heard somewhere that chineese people have to learn english in school. noone *****es about the chineese-american population because they are really good at buisness and make really good food. how many chineese food places are run by white people, seriously. the chineese are such an adaptable people they could move anywhere and succeed.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Deepblue
@ Aldo

2. They use the roads don't they? How about parks?

4. I doubt anyone would even recognize a Scottish flag, and thus not object. However, the point is valid.

RE 2/ if they're using the roads, I'd imagine the US will have taxation upon fuel and the cost of a car? Parks...well, I guess tourists also use parks, would you like them to pay a residency tax as well?

4/ So people only object if they recognise the flag? And why is the point valid?  Why do people who move to America - a country originally founded as a colony after all, whose indigenous people were nearly wiped out - have to forget their root? (what's so offensive about a foreign flag?)

[Nuke]

when i was in phoenix i think they made a brittish family take down a brittish flag on their own propery. i remember i saw it on the news. it was actually pretty sick. surely we as a species has outgrown the need for flags. we dont need a banner to tell us who we are. to pledge your allegance to an object is the first step to facisim. take a simple image and create a cult phenomena around it. every dictator in the world knew this. something as stupid as a piece of cloth can create violence and death.

i think motorhead said it beast

'i hold a banner drenched in blood
i urge you to be brave
i lead you to your destiny
i lead you to your grave'

[MatthewPapa]

Originally posted by Nuke
dosnt the average chineese person speek adequit englisg, i think i heard somewhere that chineese people have to learn english in school. noone *****es about the chineese-american population because they are really good at buisness and make really good food. how many chineese food places are run by white people, seriously. the chineese are such an adaptable people they could move anywhere and succeed.

I agree.