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Offline Liberator

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Wait...you had to fight to put your brother in private school?
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in the sixth grade. One of its symptoms is ADD.

Before that my life was a total wreck. I never did well in school (it's REALLY hard to succeed when I can't concentrate at all). I was always harrased by the other kids because I was the "different" one.

But that diagnosis marked a major turning point in my life. They did not put me on Ridalin, but instead put me on a drug called Dexedrine. It is also used to treat ADD, but it is far more powerful than Ridalin. It is actually an Amphetemine.

It also allowed me to get the support I needed through Special Ed. Gradually I was wiened off of it over the course of several years.

And Liberator, the teachers (except for two of them in my entire K-12 run) were never the problem. I was the problem. Think about that next time you decide to make your distorted, sweeping generalizations about how everything is the teachers fault.
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Offline Liberator

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I have nothing against teachers, my sister is one(special ed to be specific), but I will be damned if I take it easy on them either.  My point is that instead of looking deeper into the problem, many just label the child a "problem child" and decide to drug them instead of getting them the help they need.
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The age long strife I see
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Offline aldo_14

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It is unfair to label 'many' without evidence to support that, though; I see that quite often, people will take a number of personal biases combined with a number of well publicised exceptional cases, and use that to build some stereotype without actually having a factual basis.

 

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Aldo is right, Lib. The tone of your first reply in this subject was quite hostile towards teachers, and it appeared to be directed at all teachers.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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the school i was in dumbed down my education by a great deal. i demanded things like more advanced mathmatics. the school itself had alot of real good teachers though. eventually i managed to get into a part time vocational traning center. where i took computer science and electronics classes. it didnt cost me anything and withought it id be much dumber than i am now.

as for what scuddie says about staring off into space i can agree. i still do that. i have to tell my brain to shut up so i can get back to work. usually some music helps my brain quiet down somewhat. but its not neccisarily a bad thing, it just means your a better thinker than worker. i score pretty high in iq tests. i have the gift for recognizing complex patterns in vast quantities of data where your average person sees gibrish. its a usefull trait for jobs such as engineering.
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I'd just like to say that not all kids diagnosed with ADD are merely misunderstood geniuses. There was this kid at my church who claimed to have ADD, took Ritalin, the whole 9 yards... and he was an idiot. It's not that I couldn't appreciate his intelligence or anything like that, he's just a dumb white trash kid who's never had any discipline. So he does whatever he feels like, then gets in trouble for it, then gets prescribed Ritalin which doesn't do anything.
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Wait...you had to fight to put your brother in private school?

That is correct. The town has to pay for his education. (Ooh, I knew I forgot to mention something important.) They didn't want to have to pay for a private school. He's autistic, a public school wouldn't do &^@! for him. Public schools just try to "mainstream" gifted or disabled kids. They prefer to deny anything is wrong or different. Their philosophy is, "If we don't see it, it doesn't exist," and so, turn a blind eye to the talented and disabled. It's really sad. There are many others that are still stuck in the public school system that shouldn't be there. :(

 

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If what you people are saying is true, people with ADD should be given chess classes. Not only does it improve your concentration skills, but it also gives them simple or complex tasks for them to solve, while (for only some people unfortunatly) having fun.
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Offline Kosh

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Originally posted by EtherShock

That is correct. The town has to pay for his education. (Ooh, I knew I forgot to mention something important.) They didn't want to have to pay for a private school. He's autistic, a public school wouldn't do &^@! for him. Public schools just try to "mainstream" gifted or disabled kids. They prefer to deny anything is wrong or different. Their philosophy is, "If we don't see it, it doesn't exist," and so, turn a blind eye to the talented and disabled. It's really sad. There are many others that are still stuck in the public school system that shouldn't be there. :(



What state do you live in?


I think my "mainstreaming" went rather well. Graduated high school with a 3.9 communative GPA. Can't complain about that. :)

But you are right, there are some students who just don't belong there.
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Jersey.

Interesting, do you  have a very mild case of Asperger's? Maybe you were misdiagnosed?

 

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I was for sure diagnosed correctly. I was told that I have a mild case of it (or something like that).
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Originally posted by EtherShock

That is correct. The town has to pay for his education. (Ooh, I knew I forgot to mention something important.) They didn't want to have to pay for a private school. He's autistic, a public school wouldn't do &^@! for him. Public schools just try to "mainstream" gifted or disabled kids. They prefer to deny anything is wrong or different. Their philosophy is, "If we don't see it, it doesn't exist," and so, turn a blind eye to the talented and disabled. It's really sad. There are many others that are still stuck in the public school system that shouldn't be there. :(


The problem is though that very few private schools are equipped to handle such students in most of the US.

...and homeschooling doesn't work. Unless both parents have tons of time to spend with their child and have an education *higher* than a bachelor's degree. The only success stories I've seen are generally from scientists doing field work and raising their child, not ma and pa kettle teaching their son or daughter to shelter them from the evil world.

The best thing to do for most gifted or disabled children are extra-scholastic activities. For gifted students programs like running start, so that the person is going to college and having classes that challenge them as soon as possible, are also the best possible things to do.
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Originally posted by EtherShock

That is correct. The town has to pay for his education. (Ooh, I knew I forgot to mention something important.) They didn't want to have to pay for a private school. He's autistic, a public school wouldn't do &^@! for him. Public schools just try to "mainstream" gifted or disabled kids. They prefer to deny anything is wrong or different. Their philosophy is, "If we don't see it, it doesn't exist," and so, turn a blind eye to the talented and disabled. It's really sad. There are many others that are still stuck in the public school system that shouldn't be there. :(
I wonder if there is a less-than-worthless special needs schooling system in the US.  Here in CA, if you are in special ed, you are not given an education at all.  Their logic is, "If they have a hard time learning, it must be best to take it slow."  Problem is, most kids aren't even challenged at all.  They spend a whole many years being taught the same thing...  Fundamentals, nothing more.  

My sister is in the 9th grade, all she knows are multiplication tables.  She doesn't mind, because school is more of a playground to her, and she doesn't have any obligation to do anything in her classes.  Do you know how "disabled" she is?  She hasn't seen anything more than common division in her school, yet I was able to teach her linear variable substitution in less than 15 minutes!  Her main problem though is that it takes her too long to do homework, so the special ed program decided to give her homework that takes her all of five minutes.  And at this rate, looks like she is not eligible for graduation.  

To compare, the nothing-special private school I enrolled in taught me the 38 personal pronouns in my first week, while my sister wasn't even told what a pronoun is.  This leads me to believe that most public school teachers just don't care.  I only wish this little private school didn't shut down, else we would have enrolled my sister in it a long time ago.
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I wonder if there is a less-than-worthless special needs schooling system in the US.  Here in CA, if you are in special ed, you are not given an education at all.  Their logic is, "If they have a hard time learning, it must be best to take it slow."  Problem is, most kids aren't even challenged at all.  They spend a whole many years being taught the same thing...  Fundamentals, nothing more.  

My sister is in the 9th grade, all she knows are multiplication tables.  She doesn't mind, because school is more of a playground to her, and she doesn't have any obligation to do anything in her classes.  Do you know how "disabled" she is?  She hasn't seen anything more than common division in her school, yet I was able to teach her linear variable substitution in less than 15 minutes!  Her main problem though is that it takes her too long to do homework, so the special ed program decided to give her homework that takes her all of five minutes.  And at this rate, looks like she is not eligible for graduation.  

To compare, the nothing-special private school I enrolled in taught me the 38 personal pronouns in my first week, while my sister wasn't even told what a pronoun is.  This leads me to believe that most public school teachers just don't care.  I only wish this little private school didn't shut down, else we would have enrolled my sister in it a long time ago.

Is your sister in a regular public school class or a special education class?  I'm a bit confused on that.

My fathers a public school teacher.  He's seen pretty much everything from autism to down syndrom and the like.  When you have a class of 30 students (as is the norm around here) it becomes diffcult to pander to the special requirements of all the students.  I think my dad really tries to do a good job of engaging the students from all ability levels as much as possible (with some extra project responsibilities for the more gifted students) but it can be difficult.

For me in school I had my share of problems.  I wasn't very attentive, I didn't do a very good job of listening, I was bored constantly but of the three times I was tested for gifted behavior I came up fairly normal.  To this day I'm still not sure how my brain particularly works...its a very odd one.  It must work pretty well since I'm now a university graduate but public school was a pain for me in both the overly challenging and the under challenging areas depending on subject.  But I never acted out either.  So teachers probably had a bit of trouble trying to get something that'd catch my attention.  Again, in a class of 30 students, and no special needs students in any of my classes ever, it was surely difficult.

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I wonder if there is a less-than-worthless special needs schooling system in the US.  Here in CA, if you are in special ed, you are not given an education at all.  Their logic is, "If they have a hard time learning, it must be best to take it slow."  Problem is, most kids aren't even challenged at all.  They spend a whole many years being taught the same thing...  Fundamentals, nothing more.  

My sister is in the 9th grade, all she knows are multiplication tables.  She doesn't mind, because school is more of a playground to her, and she doesn't have any obligation to do anything in her classes.  Do you know how "disabled" she is?  She hasn't seen anything more than common division in her school, yet I was able to teach her linear variable substitution in less than 15 minutes!  Her main problem though is that it takes her too long to do homework, so the special ed program decided to give her homework that takes her all of five minutes.  And at this rate, looks like she is not eligible for graduation.  

To compare, the nothing-special private school I enrolled in taught me the 38 personal pronouns in my first week, while my sister wasn't even told what a pronoun is.  This leads me to believe that most public school teachers just don't care.  I only wish this little private school didn't shut down, else we would have enrolled my sister in it a long time ago.

Is your sister in a regular public school class or a special education class?  I'm a bit confused on that.

My fathers a public school teacher.  He's seen pretty much everything from autism to down syndrom and the like.  When you have a class of 30 students (as is the norm around here) it becomes diffcult to pander to the special requirements of all the students.  I think my dad really tries to do a good job of engaging the students from all ability levels as much as possible (with some extra project responsibilities for the more gifted students) but it can be difficult.

For me in school I had my share of problems.  I wasn't very attentive, I didn't do a very good job of listening, I was bored constantly but of the three times I was tested for gifted behavior I came up fairly normal.  To this day I'm still not sure how my brain particularly works...its a very odd one.  It must work pretty well since I'm now a university graduate but public school was a pain for me in both the overly challenging and the under challenging areas depending on subject.  But I never acted out either.  So teachers probably had a bit of trouble trying to get something that'd catch my attention.  Again, in a class of 30 students, and no special needs students in any of my classes ever, it was surely difficult.

I'm a firm believer that both nature and nuture define someones persona.  Blaming strictly based on genetics is silly...one can be taught, trained, and work through whatever nature has given you in the way of genetics.
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I wonder if there is a less-than-worthless special needs schooling system in the US.  Here in CA, if you are in special ed, you are not given an education at all.  Their logic is, "If they have a hard time learning, it must be best to take it slow."  Problem is, most kids aren't even challenged at all.  They spend a whole many years being taught the same thing...  Fundamentals, nothing more.  

My sister is in the 9th grade, all she knows are multiplication tables.  She doesn't mind, because school is more of a playground to her, and she doesn't have any obligation to do anything in her classes.  Do you know how "disabled" she is?  She hasn't seen anything more than common division in her school, yet I was able to teach her linear variable substitution in less than 15 minutes!  Her main problem though is that it takes her too long to do homework, so the special ed program decided to give her homework that takes her all of five minutes.  And at this rate, looks like she is not eligible for graduation.  

To compare, the nothing-special private school I enrolled in taught me the 38 personal pronouns in my first week, while my sister wasn't even told what a pronoun is.  This leads me to believe that most public school teachers just don't care.  I only wish this little private school didn't shut down, else we would have enrolled my sister in it a long time ago.

:eek: Wow, I am shocked. That's really disturbing. That doesn't sound like the liberal California I know.  I know Jersey has one of the best education systems for special ed. There wasn't another private school nearby? You live in Sacramento. There had to be more than one.

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The problem is though that very few private schools are equipped to handle such students in most of the US.

...and homeschooling doesn't work. Unless both parents have tons of time to spend with their child and have an education *higher* than a bachelor's degree. The only success stories I've seen are generally from scientists doing field work and raising their child, not ma and pa kettle teaching their son or daughter to shelter them from the evil world.

The best thing to do for most gifted or disabled children are extra-scholastic activities. For gifted students programs like running start, so that the person is going to college and having classes that challenge them as soon as possible, are also the best possible things to do.


There are also many that can't afford private schooling.

I'm not advocating homeschooling. However, there has to be a better way to educate than the current public education system. [conspiracy]It's based on the Prussian system, which prepares you for military service, teaches you to take orders, and not to question.[/conspiracy]

I met a girl while I was in California. She was very pretty. She told me she had been home schooled, but the way she explained it made it sound like she saw a teacher regularly that gave her work, as opposed to being taught by her parents. The freedom allowed her to do other things, such as travel to other countries.  She seemed very smart and quite mature for her age. Too bad she disappeared shortly after we met. u_u

Like you said though, most are not qualifed to be teaching their own kids. *Shudders at the thought of the masses being preached religion* Anyway, there has to be a mean. Neither extreme is good.

In my state, special ed/alternative schools are at least an option. I guess not everyone is as fortunate. There's a famous school at Princeton, but my brother didn't get into it. The wait period is forever because of the high demand, but he's in a good school. He'll attend until he's 21. They also teach him a job for the future.

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I was for sure diagnosed correctly. I was told that I have a mild case of it (or something like that).

I figured, if you had any more than a mild case you wouldn't be on this board. Yours is a case where mainstreaming worked.

 

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:eek: Wow, I am shocked. That's really disturbing. That doesn't sound like the liberal California I know.  I know Jersey has one of the best education systems for special ed. There wasn't another private school nearby? You live in Sacramento. There had to be more than one.
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There are also many that can't afford private schooling.
True dat.  The one I attended cost $200/mo tuition.  Most places around here are $600+, and we aren't that rich.
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I met a girl while I was in California. She was very pretty. She told me she had been home schooled, but the way she explained it made it sound like she saw a teacher regularly that gave her work, as opposed to being taught by her parents. The freedom allowed her to do other things, such as travel to other countries.  She seemed very smart and quite mature for her age. Too bad she disappeared shortly after we met. u_u
Yes, that's how it works in CA.  In fact, after the private school I attended disbanded, I opted to attend Independant Study.  Each week, you spend about an hour with your assigned teacher, one on one, discussing the lesson plans for the next week.  The lessons are usually consolidated.  In one week, you are expected to complete 1.5 - 3 high school units, usually in one subject, or distributed between two of your most difficult subjects.  For example, I completed the Geometry course in three weeks, while it took a couple months to complete pre-Civil War US history and economic study for the year.  However, this requires a strong personal responsibility.  Many a time when I almost didnt finish the work for the week, because of poor time management habits.  Also, it was no coincidence that your friend was more mature than most her age.  In these cases, there is nothing to hinder your developmental growth (read: The public school playground).  AFAIK, traditional home schooling isn't recognized in CA.
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Yes, that's what it was called, Independent Study! I can see how it isn't for everyone. That should've been obvious. Still, there have to be good alternatives to the current public school system. It can't be the only option for the masses.