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Even someone who had killed several of your friends?


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Which is what i mean about taking the movie a bit seriously.

 There are times when characterisation, emotion, is more important to the story or simply the scene than to adhere to, for example, this Jedi code malarky.  I'd have found that scene a hell of a lot duller, I'd expect, had Obi-Wan been completely emotionless.

 

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I can't add anything to that, really.
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Fair enuff. :)

 

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I thought it was worth going just to see the Cruisers duking it out at the start.

I think Grievous had been seriously injured when Windu nailed his chest are with a Force Attack as he grabbed Palpertine, hence him being not such a badass later on

 

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When were Grevious, Windu, and Palpatine ever together?
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Sounds like it was right before the movie actually begins. Grevious kidnaps Palpatine and is about to board his shuttle or something when Windu catches up with them.
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

 
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I don't think that Dooku was 'lame'. It is possible he simply did not pass his knowledge very well.
From Real Life you can take this example: That your teacher knows almost everything about his/her subject does not mean he/she is able to teach you all that.


That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan. It would be like someone like Einstein trying to teach a 3 year old the theory of relativity. Doesn't matter how good a teacher Einstein is, the kid still won't learn it all.
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:welcome:

Incidentally... possibly worth noting Grevious was killed with a blaster - and he didn't have the force to predict it and block/avoid it (even without a lightsaber it's possible).

Oh, and I thought the intro battle was braw, too.

 

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Does anyone feel like the new and old movies are disconnected somehow? Like the old Star Wars (where the acting was incredible, I loved everything about what they said and did), seemed much...I don't know, somehow whole, and somehow not, as did the old ones. Except for names, they seemed to be of two completely seperate series.

 

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I actually came out of the theater somewhat pleasantly surprised; I always say that pessimism pays off a lot better than optimism. :p I'm willing to forgive Lucas the first half-hour of the film for the last hour.  That opening battle, up until the crash landing, was utterly idiotic; it had nothing to do with the rest of the film, the special effects looked exactly like a video game (mind you, I wish the SCP could manage to pull that off :)), and the dialogue/action was pretty pathetic.  The love scenes were also terrible; "I'm only beautiful because I'm in love"!? :wtf:

I thought the movie really began to pick up when Palpatine started working on Anakin; that scene when they were in the theater watching that glowing...thing (what was that anyway? :p) had some really good dialogue.  I thought Palpatine in general was pretty badass.  Yoda's dialogue was great, as always; as cheese-tastic as his fight scene with Palpatine was, I couldn't help but get exctied about it.  The fight scenes on Kashyyyk and that rocky place whose name I can't remember were pretty good.  Having never seen the Clone Wars series, I thought Grievous was rather annoying and a bit of a distraction; I thought that Obi-Wan's fight with him was good, though.  The slaughter of the Jedi, although a little rushed, was good; the sad effect of the youngling scene was somewhat lessened by someone in the first row laughing out loud right after it (someone else responded with "Yeah, real funny buddy"). :p

The best scene, by far, was the climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin; that was far better than I expected.  When Darth Vader took his first breath, with the mist swirling in front of him...very kickass. I didn't think that the ending tried to tie up too many loose threads, as some people have said; I thought it did a pretty good job of pulling everything together.  (Does anyone else think that Luke got the shaft when compared to Leia? :p)

I was struck at how much Ewan McGregor managed to sound, and even look, like Alec Guiness at times; he did a great job.  I still think Hayden is a terrible actor, but at least he was eons better than in Episode II.  Natalie Portman wasn't that great herself.  The original badass himself, Mace, was great once again; his death seemed a little underwhelming for his character, though.  (I was expecting Boba Fett to finish him off, considering how he was holding his father's head at the end of Episode II.)  That explanation for Palpatine's appearance was kind of weak; I think it would have been better if Palpatine had just managed to disguise himself somehow using the Force.  The part with Qui-Gon and the explanation for the "Force ghost" was kind of weak as well.  The one truly fantastic part was, as usual, the score; I liked how John Williams worked Duel of the Fates in at the end.

Overall, I thought the movie was much better than the previous two, if nowhere near the original trilogy.  (The New York Times lost whatever credibility it had left when it proclaimed the flim "better than the original Star Wars!" :p)  I think that Lucas earned at least a small bit of redemption for it.  For better or worse, Star Wars is over.  Now I just have to go back and watch my original, un-interfered-with VHS copy of the Original Trilogy. :D
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That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan.....


Yes, yes, that's another fact why Grievous can't have won.
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.... his death seemed a little underwhelming for his character, though.  (I was expecting Boba Fett to finish him off, considering how he was holding his father's head at the end of Episode II.)...


Oh, buddy, tell me how a roughly 14 year-old child could kill the second best lightsabre-wielder among the Jedi? :p

[EDIT] 2 more things:
I don't know who wrote it and where, that somehow the two trilogies are disconnected. My comment on it is that there are 18 years between Episode III and IV. A lot can happen until that. I say the picture of the two worlds(Prequel trilogy and Original Trilogy) is perfect: They give us the idea how the galaxy looked like in the times of the Republic and in the era of the Galactic Civil War(=Original Trilogy).

Second thing: Sorry for the double post again. :p
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Oh, buddy, tell me how a roughly 14 year-old child could kill the second best lightsabre-wielder among the Jedi? :p

[EDIT] 2 more things:
I don't know who wrote it and where, that somehow the two trilogies are disconnected. My comment on it is that there are 18 years between Episode III and IV. A lot can happen until that. I say the picture of the two worlds(Prequel trilogy and Original Trilogy) is perfect: They give us the idea how the galaxy looked like in the times of the Republic and in the era of the Galactic Civil War(=Original Trilogy).

Second thing: Sorry for the double post again. :p


I think there is a bit of a visual disconnection; it's partly down to the simple fact they used CGI backgrounds for the prequel, and simply the different picture quality of the newer films.  There's IMO definately a perceivable distance in the 'feel' of the 2 trilogies.  I'm not sure if there is a story discontinuity; I'm sure some nit-picky bastard is out there willing to spoil everyones movie moaning about these things.

That and also because the first 2 prequel movies were pretty awful, whereas the original trilogy was good throughout.

That said, I think the 'force ghost' thing needed more work; how does/could Vader know of it, for example? It's only given as a single sentence to one of the biggest contradications between the 2 trilogies.  But it's a very minor thing IMO with regards to the story or - crucially - the entertainment value of the film(s).

 
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The John Williams score (especially during the Vader/Obi duel), the choreographing (again, especially during the Vader/Obi duel) and the special effects (cruiser battle, Mustafa (is that how you spell it?) volcanoes)) were what saved it for me.

The script, and therefore the acting, was dreadful.

Only one thing we hadn't seen before, Palpatine with a lightsaber. I can't believe Yoda quit after falling a bit, he wasn't doing too bad.

7/10

 

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That and Grievous wasn't gifted with the force so even if Dooku was the best teacher in the world, Grievous wouldn't have been as effective as Obi Wan. It would be like someone like Einstein trying to teach a 3 year old the theory of relativity. Doesn't matter how good a teacher Einstein is, the kid still won't learn it all.


Greivous has 4 robotic arms. He can move them in way impossible for a human to mimic (like rorating joins in every possible way..remember that chopper move he made?).
and he has robotic strength and speed.

Basicly, I found that fight lame.... 4 lightsabers vs. 1?
4 lightsabers coming simountaniously from 4 different directions = IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK with 1 saber.

Now if Kenobi had 2 lightsabers or if there were two jedi fighting grevious I could have accept it..

and why didn't Obi use the Force against Grevious? Force Push and stuff like that?
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Basicly, I found that fight lame.... 4 lightsabers vs. 1?
4 lightsabers coming simountaniously from 4 different directions = IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK with 1 saber.

Now if Kenobi had 2 lightsabers or if there were two jedi fighting grevious I could have accept it..

and why didn't Obi use the Force against Grevious? Force Push and stuff like that?


This has been discussed before. Obi-Wan was trained and used the Force for defence, while Grievous only had four lightsabres, no Force and little training.

And why did not he use the Force? This question can be asked in the case of ANY fight scenes where at least Jedi take part. Simply because he did not. That's the answer. This is not a Jedi Knight game where you can use Force push all the time.
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Blooming eck.... let's not get all pedantic about whether or not he could have used Force Mlarky here; it's a movie - the director (and producer, scriptwriter, storyboarder, etc) will pick what makes for the best entertainment.

I mean... you could have, what?  Obi-Wan kills Grevious in 2 seconds flat, or Grevious dissects Obi-Wan in the same time.  Would it make a more entertainin movie that way?

 

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B...the director (and producer, scriptwriter, storyboarder, etc) will pick what makes for the best entertainment.


...speaking theoretically, with no relevance to the movie in discussion, of course. :p
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