[Swamp_Thing]

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a soldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for “a pattern of unacceptable behavior.”

In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard’s urine came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

So, the reports were true after all, uh?
The Newsweek report was true, and the retraction was just a ploy to avoid the troubles that would and did arise from it.
I wonder what will Bush say about this now...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8090656/

[achtung]

More stuff with the government lying, people taking religion way to damn seriously, and a few idiots that never think ahead.  Boy is the world on edge right now:doubt:

History repeating itself once again I suppose.

[Genryu]

Twenty to one says that many people will tell you that Newsweek are still bastards, 'cause it proves that the Quran wasn't flushed.

[redmenace]

accuracy in reporting is a important. not being almost true.

[vyper]

Yes and adhering to the geneva convention is important, but it's not given much attention these days.

[Taristin]

How did urine fly through the air vents?

[redmenace]

Only wish Al Quaeda adheard to the Geneva Convention as well as Iraqi insurgents. Honestly, the more I think about it, the geneva convention is an archaeic document that needs to be either pulled out of, or re written.

[vyper]

Why?

Are you against the fair treatment of prisoners, the protection of civilians and all the other rules that make war as gentlemanly as possible? Or would you rather have "Total War"?

You cannot save democracy, freedom and liberty by abandoning the ideals they represent.

Edit: Just because the enemy commits atrocious acts, does not mean you should. Once you do, what is the difference between you?

[redmenace]

No, I am against ambiguous standards. Times have changed. When you have wackos out there that are not affiliated with any nationality. How do you treat them? What needs to happen is that the Geneva Convention should be re-written in a clear and unambiguous manner.

As per ideals, I don't think that there are any ideals at stake. The only possible one I can see is the complete and totally ignoring of the spirit of the law in regaurds to the geneva convention.

And futhermore, atrocious acts happen in war, but I try not to kid my self into thinking that can prevented or even curbed

[vyper]

[q]but I try not to kid my self into thinking that can prevented or even curbed[/q]

You're starting to scare me. You believe atrocities are inevitable, so why bother trying to limit them? Think about that. Just... THINK about it. You're essentially giving all military forces free mandate to murder, rape, torture, pillage and generally abuse anyone, anywhere, anytime.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by redmenace
No, I am against ambiguous standards. Times have changed. When you have wackos out there that are not affiliated with any nationality. How do you treat them?  

You imprison them without trial, deny them access to a lawyer, torture them, invent spurious why the convention doesn't apply to them and then claim you're taking the moral high ground.

[redmenace]

They are not citizens of this country. So do they have rights?

It is like splitting hairs in the abortion argument. We are to assume because the fetus is not outside of the womb that they have no rights?

[vyper]

[q]They are not citizens of this country. So do they have rights?[/q]

They are human beings. Being American doesn't give you any more claim to basic human rights than anyone else.

[redmenace]

Originally posted by vyper
[q]They are not citizens of this country. So do they have rights?[/q]

They are human beings. Being American doesn't give you any more claim to basic human rights than anyone else.

We don't have a legal responcibility to do so.

[vyper]

Erm, that's rather the point of the convention. Additionally, since you're such a moralist on abortion, wouldn't you consider it a moral responsibility?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by redmenace
They are not citizens of this country. So do they have rights?

You're f**king kidding me right? If you listen to your own argument 9/11 was perfectly justified and every single country who didn't lose any citizens should have just ignored it then.

[redmenace]

All is fair in love and war

As per the convention, members of al quada don't fit the definition of a POW according to the convention.

[vyper]

*shakes head and walks away*

[karajorma]

Absolutely disgusting.

Does the same as Vyper

[redmenace]

Believe it or not same hair splitting is used all the time in liberal causes. So don't act like you guys are taking a high road either.