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Offline Taristin

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Apple may go Intel
Reply #20 on: June 06, 2005, 09:05:36 pm
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Reply #21 on: June 06, 2005, 09:46:33 pm
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The thing I don't like about the Intel POS they've chosen is that it has DRM built into the chip itself.



As much as it may astonish everybody in the forum, I agree with Liberator.
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Reply #22 on: June 06, 2005, 10:43:25 pm
Heh.. Today different processors, tomorrow...

NEW YORK TIMES

Bill Gates marries Steve Jobs
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Reply #23 on: June 06, 2005, 10:50:19 pm
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Heh.. Today different processors, tomorrow...

NEW YORK TIMES

Bill Gates marries Steve Jobs



Better still:

THE SUN

Bill Gates marries Steve Jobs
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #24 on: June 06, 2005, 11:41:06 pm
And then they adopt Linus Torvalds.
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Offline Zarax

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Reply #25 on: June 07, 2005, 02:54:47 am
Nah, Linus married IBM long time ago and Steve Jobs going with Bill Gates is much less of a surprise than you may think...

After all if Bill Gates didn't save Apple's butt in 1997 (hate him as much as you want but he could have chosen to let the mac die) there wouldn't be i-pod, mini mac and all that stuff today...
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Reply #26 on: June 07, 2005, 03:15:12 am
Linus and IBM is really only a marriage of convenience though. IBM have been looking for ways to strike back at MS for 0wnz0ring them all those years ago and Linus is just their new poster child. Same with Sun, Novell, Oracle etc.
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Reply #27 on: June 07, 2005, 03:35:57 am
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Linus and IBM is really only a marriage of convenience though. IBM have been looking for ways to strike back at MS for 0wnz0ring them all those years ago and Linus is just their new poster child. Same with Sun, Novell, Oracle etc.


of course, with solaris becoming open source (although with crappy hardware support) and with novell probably filing for bankruptcy any day now...

nah seriously, the alternatives have passed netware a long time ago. too bad, since I really liked it, but...
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Reply #28 on: June 07, 2005, 05:27:56 am
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(although with crappy hardware support)



That's because Sun uses it's own, proprietary hardware.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #29 on: June 07, 2005, 06:30:10 am
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That's because Sun uses it's own, proprietary hardware.


that's part of it, yes. although I must say that sun makes nice servers. If they could just be less purple...
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Reply #30 on: June 07, 2005, 07:14:01 am
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what is with everryones obsessions with software upgrades, it seems to me software becomes less effietient and more bloated with every passing "upgrade".  btw stupid ideas tend to work best.

and that thing about one tequilla, two tequilla, three tequilla, floor is entirely false, i never hit the floor :D


OK... so a gaping security loophole in an OS should never be fixed?

Software is NEVER perfect. Upgrades fix problems with the software.

So if you think you can write an OS which is perfect and never requires upgrades or fixes, maybe you should put down the crack pipe?
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Reply #31 on: June 07, 2005, 09:23:06 am
LINUX!!11!!


or at least they like to think so... :rolleyes:
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Reply #32 on: June 07, 2005, 09:36:10 am
Look! A blue penguin!

Besides spamming it is worth to remember that macos is based on BSD (UNIX is NOT linux)
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Reply #33 on: June 07, 2005, 05:08:51 pm
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OK... so a gaping security loophole in an OS should never be fixed?

Software is NEVER perfect. Upgrades fix problems with the software.

So if you think you can write an OS which is perfect and never requires upgrades or fixes, maybe you should put down the crack pipe?


a gaping security loophole should never have been alowed to exist in the first place. the most secure systems are kept as simple as possible to avoid possible exploitations. in addition simplicity makes the whole of the system easyer to comprehend by those who manage security. simple systems also have the tednancy to be easy to troubleshoot and because there simple will run faster..  indeed no software is ever perfect, but that doesnt mean it should be smoldering pile of doo either. thats one of the biggest excuses of software companies.  the fact that microsoft gets away with releasing such a seriously convoluted pile of crap paints a big bullseye on the side of every machine that is running windows. if you tease a dog with a piece of meat long enough its gonna bite. we should drop the whole obsession about security and give the script kiddies nothing to do.  as for upgrades the only thing there good for is creating new gaping holes in your security.
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Reply #34 on: June 07, 2005, 05:23:43 pm
Too bad that all operating systems are going to add more features, more security patches et al...
You keep citing MSFT but open source systems aren't smaller, with multi million lines kernel...

Now, guess where development is going to go?

Remember we're talking about user level software, not PLCs...
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Reply #35 on: June 07, 2005, 06:22:00 pm
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a gaping security loophole should never have been alowed to exist in the first place



But sometimes it still does exist. It's a lot more difficult than you think to debug 10+ million lines of code.........
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #36 on: June 07, 2005, 06:28:05 pm
The idea of the 'perfect software' flew out the window more than a decade ago. Why? Because it's unfeasible for us to program in every little contingency into our programs given the diversity of people's systems. If you were to take into account every possible configuration, with hardware components and drivers themselves imperfectly programmed, then there are trillions of little things to consider. And considering how 'unintended' functionality (e.g. buffer overflow) can often be accidentally added into code, there'll always be some sort of exploit that's out there. Demanding software that runs perfectly, given the non-linear way in which computers are used, is demanding the impossible.
 

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Reply #37 on: June 07, 2005, 06:53:20 pm
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Demanding software that runs perfectly, given the non-linear way in which computers are used, is demanding the impossible.



That is still not going to stop some people. :p
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #38 on: June 07, 2005, 07:08:18 pm
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But sometimes it still does exist. It's a lot more difficult than you think to debug 10+ million lines of code.........


thats why you should try to do the same job with only a million lines. its an operating system, not a celestial navigation system.
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Reply #39 on: June 07, 2005, 07:15:42 pm
Celestial navigation is probably alot simpler than windows, anyway. ;)
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