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For years we've speculated what it might be like for the first generation of Star Wars fans who watch the saga "in order"... Episode I, II, III then IV, V and VI.

I haven't watch the OT after seeing the prequels yet, but have you noticed any of these? The one thing I can think of is the Obi-Wan/droids connection, but I quickly realized the answer to that myself. He does recognize them, sort of.

 

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Well, for the droids, it's just like the blog explained. Obi-Wan was probably trying to keep quiet about talking about Luke's father (or at least R2's connection to his father), but then Luke brought up his father at Obi-Wan's home.

That, or Lucas simply made a biiigg mistake in throwing R2 and 3PO into the prequels :p
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- after recognizing the Tantive IV corridore, "Hey, they didn't have all those people in there before. Where did they get them."

What a stupid question is this? 22 years pass between EpIII and IV. During this time, the crew can change.

- later in that same scene, "Are the Republic troops clones too? They all look the same?" (Of course, by Republic troops he meant what we've always called Rebels. But being on an Alderaan ship... who is correct?)
:wtf: The rebels are not all the same.

- "Wow! Is the Death Star done already? I guess that's how you know that a long time has passed."
This whole Death Star thing is stupid. Ignore. :p

- "Look... Obi-Wan is pretending he doesn't know R2-D2." (see Hole/No-hole: Why doesn't Obi-Wan remember R2? )
R2 has never been Obi-Wans. Remember, his droid was destroyed in the battle above Coruscant in the open scene of EpIII.

- in Ben's hut: "Where is Qui-Gon? I thought Obi-Wan was supposed to be training with him?"
:wtf: Why is Qui-Gon supposed to be with Obi-Wan? What I don't understand in Obi-Wan is that he claimed to have been apprenticed to Yoda, which is apparently untrue.

- as C-3PO throws a Jawa body on the pile... "Do you think that R2-D2 started that fire with his jet rockets?"
In a desert, it's not difficult to set fire. I think R2 could have done it, not with the jet rocket, an Astromech droid is quite versatile.

- "How can the Emperor dissolve the Senate? Didn't he destroy it trying to kill Yoda?"
They could have reconstructed the chamber.

- "Is Chewbacca the only Wookiee that survives the Clone Wars?" (with great concern)
The Wookies won on Kashyyyk and they were not hunted by the Empire.

- "Why don't those ships need Hyperspace rings?"
Only the Jedi starfighter needs hyperspace rings.

- "So, does this mean that R2-D2 is really the main character in Star Wars?"
The Skywalker family members are the main characters.

- and finally, though not prequel-provoked, "Why are red leader and gold leader the leaders? They don't know what they're doing..."
Red leader in EpIV was a pro and experienced pilot. Gold leader was Lando Calrissian, he quite knew what he was doing. The destroyed the main reactor after all.


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Well, for the droids, it's just like the blog explained. Obi-Wan was probably trying to keep quiet about talking about Luke's father (or at least R2's connection to his father), but then Luke brought up his father at Obi-Wan's home.

That, or Lucas simply made a biiigg mistake in throwing R2 and 3PO into the prequels :p


I don't like the droids in the prequel, to be honest. They did not spoil the prequels too much.
A bit off-topic, but I think Jar Jar was a good character in EpI, it's good that in EpII and EpIII, he was omitted. Lucas does know what he is doing. :)
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[color=66ff00]Bear in mind that it's a seven year old kid asking those questions TopAce so you can expect a few seemingly 'dumb questions'.

In a related note I saw the Clone Wars animated series today, it far surpasses the prequels for action and content IMHO.
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Red leader in EpIV was a pro and experienced pilot. Gold leader was Lando Calrissian, he quite knew what he was doing. The destroyed the main reactor after all.


I think he means Gold Leader from Ep. IV -- the Y-Wing pilots who got toasted by Vader on the first trench run (Stay on target...).

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I don't like the droids in the prequel, to be honest. They did not spoil the prequels too much.
A bit off-topic, but I think Jar Jar was a good character in EpI, it's good that in EpII and EpIII, he was omitted. Lucas does know what he is doing.


Which is why I stand by my first statement in that quoted sentence. :nod:

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In a related note I saw the Clone Wars animated series today, it far surpasses the prequels for action and content IMHO.


Indeed. It was one of the best animated series that I've seen in a very long time.
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Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

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Originally posted by nuclear1
I think he means Gold Leader from Ep. IV -- the Y-Wing pilots who got toasted by Vader on the first trench run (Stay on target...).
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What can any pilot do in a sluggish craft like the Y-wing against agile TIEs?
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Originally posted by TopAce


What can any pilot do in a sluggish craft like the Y-wing against agile TIEs?

[color=66ff00]Pray and hope their ion gunner's a good shot. :)
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Originally posted by TopAce


What can any pilot do in a sluggish craft like the Y-wing against agile TIEs?


"Do a barrel roll!"
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[color=66ff00]I was thinking about how utterly pants it would be to watch the movies in numerical order.

You know Luke has a sister, you know that Vader's his dad, you know that the mysterious Jedi master on Degobah is a half meter tall green alien. It takes wonderful revelations and turns them into a series of bland facts.

Way to piss on the story line for a new generation.
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Dunno, I've always found the whole Leia-sister thing sketchy, at best.

What bothers me is people talking about remaking Star Wars...I don't want to see what would happen if GL decided to re-do the OT with his new vision. (I'm sad to say)
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Something I realised would have been insanely fun in the prequels would be if Yoda on the council always referred to Yoda in the 3rd person to all non-Jedi masters, making people assume that Master Yoda is this strange, powerful being who is never there in person.

Yoda then fights the Emporer, once again claiming that his master Yoda is displeased with the Emporer's manipulations, etc. This would be the one time Yoda is seen fighting and it's the big epic force/sabers/etc. battle that then led to the Emporer being disfigured.

Yoda then mentions to Bail about how he must go into exile to tell his master of what happened.

The Jedi Council has off-comments about Yoda's eccentricities, which the audience may assume is referring to the mysterious Jedi master who is never there.

That way, when watching the movies straight through everyone assumes that Yoda is this mysterious Jedi Master up until the point where Luke realises that the little green guy is actually Yoda ;) The audience assumption being if this little guy trained by Yoda could almost kill the Emporer, why the hell didn't the real Yoda fight?

It'd be difficult to write, but it'd be possible to keep mysteries like that still in the movies.
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I would've liked it.
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If/when I have kids...we'll watch 4, 5, and 6 first and then 1, 2, and 3.  I think thats how they were meant to be viewed.
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Originally posted by TopAce
Lucas does not  know what he is doing. :)


I took the liberty to correct that sentence for you.:p
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Also, writing it wouldn't be too difficult. Take the end sequence with Chewbacca:

"Into exile I must go. Return, Yoda will, when the time is right."
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I always thought doin' 4/5/6 first just made Lucas come across as a smart arse. There's no real reason to do it.

 

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Actually, having lines in the Jedi Council such as:

"In the face of this new Sith threat, what will Master Yoda do?"

"Return, Yoda will, when the time is right."

That way there's a bit of repetition and theme.

Of course I also would have had Anakin be 30ish in the prequels, make Dooku & co. actually lightside in intent but destroying the Republic in their attempt to destroy the Sith, and have a Kreia-esque character be the one who has revived the Sith tradition and Palpatine betrayed her to become Emporer. Thus adding in an anti-Yoda teaching character who leads Anakin to the darkside in a subtler manner, especially if he forsakes the force for love and has to relearn it to fight Dooku.

The trick is, you need to make the darkside appealing to even the audience. So the whole "freedom comes through power, power from passions" teachings being pounded in the prequels then comes to fruition when Palpatine finishes twisting Anakin. By also having internal Jedi politics and ineptness/inaction the audience also roots for Anakin and the Emporer (on a deeper level then "evil is cool") up until the last second where they realise that they too have been led down the dark path ;)

...plus Dooku being a contrast to the Jedi sitting and doing nothing would work well. Then there's the question- which is more evil, trying to stop evil but causing it yourself in the process? Or doing nothing?
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I always thought doin' 4/5/6 first just made Lucas come across as a smart arse. There's no real reason to do it.


Episode IV was ideal to start his career with. Episode I would not have been so exciting.

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I took the liberty to correct that sentence for you.:p


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Why the hell was Chewbacca even in the 3rd movie (or is that 6th) nayways?   It's completely pointless......