[Janos]

I'm bad
I'm baaaaaad

Now I can shake my hips to Billie Jean again. I feel rejuvenated. The curse of Michael Jackson's pedophilia has been swept away like the last remnants of Iroquis race. The brave new sun rises, and I hail it. This will turn the life on discoteques upside down.

Nothing will ever be the same.

[Unknown Target]

I don't know whether he did it or not, but I  do hate his music. It's too freaking...girly? It's a guy that sounds like a girl. Either that or he had his balls removed, I'm not sure which.
Anyway, nowadays most of the mainstream stuff is crap, that's why you have to look around to find good music (which is the way it's always been).

[Flipside]

80's music is based on 70's music, just as 90's music is based on 80's music etc etc, believe it or not, we only divide it up into decades for convenience.

If we are going to destroy people simply for being crap musically, then there is a long long queue before we get to MJ, and Crazy Frog is possibly up there with 'Shuddupa your face' as being first against the wall.

MJ is a wierdo, theres no's doubt about that, and he lives in lala lulu land as far as money is concerned, but then, theres a few governments I could apply the same ethics to, even if they don't look quite as wierd. Many people tolerate Marylyn Manson because he is wierd and 'cool' and yet Micheal Jackson is wierd and 'not cool' and so gets ostracised.

[Ford Prefect]

Well, it's a matter of personal taste. You're all just going to have to learn, sooner or later, that part of becoming mature is learning to agree with my personal tastes.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Flipside
If we are going to destroy people simply for being crap musically, then there is a long long queue before we get to MJ, and Crazy Frog is possibly up there with 'Shuddupa your face' as being first against the wall.

Possibly? For all that song was crap at least it was about something a bit meaningful rather than simply being an attempt to cash in on a f**king ringtone.

Crazy Frog has to be several rungs higher. The creators of that song should be digging their own graves just as Black Lace are led out and blindfolded.

[Flipside]

LOL True, in fact, had I known it was possible to make money simply from going 'Beee dada Wheee!' like some kind of Teletubby on Angel Dust over a tune which was, and I really must point this out, made in the same decade as Micheal Jacksons hits, I'd have never bothered learning how to play

[kasperl]

I'd like to point out that most of the death threats in this thread are against musicians, for producing bad music, instead for pedophiles, for hurting children.

Carry on.

(This is just an observation, I mostly agree on the musicians, just not the killing.)

[Ford Prefect]

Well, since I'm not convinced that Michael Jackson is a pedophile, I consider bad music to be the more relevant issue here. Hell, forget 80's music-- most of the music since the decline of swing has been audial vomit.

[Taristin]

But wasn't that one kid (not this one, but te one before who accused him) able to accurately describe a birthmark on MJ's penis? How on earth could he do that, if he'd never seen it?

[Flipside]

It was a birthmark on his lower abdomen that wasn't mentioned by the supposed victim, he did a video about 2 years after the incident with his sister where you are unlucky enough to see MJs Midriff, there is a Birthmark there which wasn't mentioned at all in the trial.

[Nico]

Oh yeah, mister Mickael "I've had my whole body rebuilt" Jackson would leave a birthmark on his winnie ~~
I'm sure my g/f couldn't accurately describe a birthmark on mine, and I'm sure a kid who's being raped by a man is not staring in awe at the thing, he must be disgusted, crying, looking away and surely not counting the hair on the guy's left ball. Get real and stop reading tabloids

[Flipside]

Well, you can get stick on Birthmarks these days, if you really feel the need to add blemishes to your skin.

I notice that George Best is next up for the Inquisition, I suppose if you arrest enough famous people, someone has to be guilty....

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

And for genocide, Rwanda wasn't all that bad. Eighties music is a blight upon civilization.

*Thwack*

Metallica started in the eighties. Crowded House started in the 80s REM started in the 80s. Pantera. U2. Bon Jovi. Guns 'n Roses. Motley Crue. So many more.

Not to mention all the great music that came out of established bands like ACDC, Led Zep, Aerosmith, Kiss, Black Sabbath, Cold Chisel. Ugh. You're retarded.

[Ford Prefect]

The only rock band that ever really earned my respect is Pink Floyd, and even their 80s albums sucked. Your list means nothing to me.

[Scuddie]

Why are you people still posting in this thread?

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Well, since I'm not convinced that Michael Jackson is a pedophile, I consider bad music to be the more relevant issue here. Hell, forget 80's music-- most of the music since the decline of swing has been audial vomit.

Swing? Hold on, lemme get in my '43 Ford. This baby gets all the way up to fourty, and let me tell ya, ain't nothin on this planet that can catch me, 'cept one of them damn aerioplanes.


I disagree. There's been a lot of great music, it's just that every decade has it's crap records and it's good records, and the most notable past three or four are no exception. Look beyond the record labels and go looking for people who aren't afraid to do different things. The reason most pop music sucks is because they want to get rich more than they want to make music, so they just fall in line with all the other "cool" stuff. They get money, people love them, and they never have to be original. People who don't really care or have hope of becoming super rich rockstars generally make better music, because since they have no ulterior motive of being popular, they can do whatever the hell they want.

[Flipside]

This is very very much a matter of taste you know, I love modern film music over old classical music, simply because of the depth and variation that is available to composers now that wasn't available then. Theres been a lot of 'holds' lifted on music (Radiohead, another 80's born group are a great example - some of their singles are brilliant, some more of them are crap).
Swing has it's place, and it's fans, but swing accents the beat and uses 3/4 and other swing beats a lot (obviously), Blues and it's children (modern music) has it's accent on the offbeat and is almost exclusively 4/4. so it very very much depends on what your own personal 'rhythm' is.

[Ford Prefect]

The reason most pop music sucks is because they want to get rich more than they want to make music, so they just fall in line with all the other "cool" stuff. They get money, people love them, and they never have to be original. People who don't really care or have hope of becoming super rich rockstars generally make better music, because since they have no ulterior motive of being popular, they can do whatever the hell they want.

Anyone serious about his/her art wants it to be popular. If they say otherwise, they're probably lying. I don't buy into the romantic notion of "pure" art, free of commercial influence. The artists I do like had major record deals. Big band jazz was the pop music of its own time, Debussy was stylish in salons in the 1900s. I don't care about that. It just happens that the direction of popular musical style since the middle of the century has been one that I find distasteful.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Flipside
This is very very much a matter of taste you know, I love modern film music over old classical music, simply because of the depth and variation that is available to composers now that wasn't available then.

Try Sigur Ros. Look for Hjartao Hammast (bamm Bamm Bamm) and Vidrar Vel Til Loftarasa. Or Sven-G-Englar. Excellent songs. The latter one was in Vanilla Sky.

[Flipside]

Every artist wasnts his/her work to be liked, but there are artists who create what they like and hope other people will like it too, and there are artists that produce what they think other people would like.

Jean Michelle Jarre and Mike Oldfeild are good examples of musicians that became famous by doing what they liked. The problem is that everything they tried to produce afterwards was in the second category, they were constantly trying to reproduce that first 'hit' if you will.

There are artists that have never become big, but have become at least recognised, and have done so by sticking their 'their own thing', most of them have been around for years though, and there is precious little sign of more bands rising to replace them, since modern hopefulls don't want to start something new or make a statement, they want a quick road to cash on the back of other peoples work.

That, I think is where the change appeared, when music, like art, stopped being a way of making a statement, and started to become a commercial 'customer is always right' affair. Now Music, like Art, only shocks for selling value.

Edit : Scuse my typing, I'm having a 'bad vision' day

And I'll check that out Raa, thanks, I'm listening to a lot of Eric Serra at the moment, Big Blue and 5th Element, great stuff