[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Now I object to that.  There were plenty of great scientists who were also devout Christians.  Newton, for example.  And Maxwell, Pascal, Kepler, Herschel, Galileo, and Copernicus (yes, those two also).  Not to mention Sir Francis Bacon, the guy who introduced the scientific method.  Even Einstein, hardly devout, said that there must be a God.

Originally posted by Raa
He didn't say that religious men know nothing of science. he said Trashman knows nothing of the theories.

Exactly. I've got no problem with Christian scientists, but Trashman said that the theories underpinning modern cosmology were pathetic, which he would know isn't true if he'd spent any time at all looking into those theories (though I predict that at any moment he'll come back with a story about how he discussed them long and hard with his ever present physics professor).

[Mefustae]

"Oh, if only he had joined a mainstream Religeon, like Oprahism, or Voodoo" - Professor Hubert Farnsworth

[Nuke]

Originally posted by ngtm1r
*watches Nuke's point fly over Bob's head and shatter on the wall*

In simpler terms: You are attempting to understand that which cannot be understood. Stop.

yea that happens . really i think if people understood half the **** i say there would be more suicides in this workld

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan
I'm a christian, yet I'm alls oa man of science. This has never hinder me, quite the contrary. I find by understanding the universe better, I can get a glimpse into God's brilliance...

Now about the creationism.. I don't see how it cnflicts with science, since science can't disprove it...and frankly, the theories that science is trying to come up with to somehow try to explin the begining of hte universe are pitifull to say the least. They can't (and they never will) and they know it.. this doesn't exactly prove God's existance, but it does make you wonder.

I'd point out that they've been able to observe up to the first few nano-seconds after the Big Bang by analysing cosmic background radiation, so they're getting there in terms of explanation.

Albeit it's equally possible the beginning of existence will be forever inexplicable; that doesn't entail there must be an omnipresent creator anyways, which is why arguing about scientific validation is essentially pointless.  Science is not about whether or not God made the universe, after all, but what we can derive from what we observe in evidence.

[Roanoke]

Originally posted by TrashMan
But seriously, trying to find evidence God exist is foolish to say the least. If you could prove his existance and involment, if you could mesure him, study him, he wouldn't be much of a God, now would he? You can however prove some events he caused happened. And for many there isn't any scientific explanation...yet.. for some there will never be.

Didn't you just contradict yourself there ?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Even Einstein, hardly devout, said that there must be a God.

Yes, but he lied. Check his treaties about science and religion to see what he was really thinking. Same deal for presidents. I suppose a US president must claim he believes firmly in god and, additionally, I'm pretty sure he must like baseball (that may sound stupid, but I'm sure that's true. If you don't get the idea I'm heading to, it means you're too dense ), and other selected things like that. A completly atheistic Einstein working in the States would not have been as convincing to his colleagues, back then. That's all there is to it, imho.

[aldo_14]

http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/ae_scire.htm / http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm

That what you mean?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Even Einstein, hardly devout, said that there must be a God.

And then wasted the last three decades of his life trying to disprove quantum physics precisely because of that.

If anything Einstein is one of the greatest examples of the inherent danger in approaching science from the perspective of trying to show how God ran the universe.

His famous "God does not play dice with the universe" quote was a quick way of stating his dissatisfaction with the randomness of quantum physics. Einstein believed that it was possible to understand the entire universe in a way that QP prevents.

The problem was that Einstein had abandoned the scientific method by that point. He'd decided that the universe must be understandable because that was the only way God could create the universe. Had he approached things with a proper scientific approach he might have not spent 30 years working on a flawed theory of everything.

(More info here for anyone who wants it).

[Solatar]

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I got shoved into a Catholic highschool.

Yet in my Biology class we spent several weeks studying Darwin and evolution. In the Theology class I was forced to take they didn't teach us the world was created in 6 days, or that Noah sailed around the world. Heck...told us that Jesus was born in a cave in late spring, and that whether or not he actually performed whatever miracles he did didn't matter (was a lot of symbolism). Science and religion are pretty seperate to me, but they rarely contradict each other because people seem to be able to modify their interpretations of the Bible according to science.

[redsniper]

^^ Bingo. Science and religion don't have to conflict.

[ZylonBane]

Hmph, I'd forgotten so many HLP'ers were superstitious.

Dance, monkeys!

[Nuke]

my conclusion:
religion is bad, science is bad, nuke this rock! kill them all! burn!

[Bobboau]

why bother?

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by redsniper
^^ Bingo. Science and religion don't have to conflict.

Well, from the Christian perspective, science and God shouldn't conflict, because God is the author of both the natural and the supernatural.  If there is an apparent conflict, it's because our understanding of one or the other is flawed.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by Nuke
my conclusion:
religion is bad, science is bad, nuke this rock! kill them all! burn!

And people wonder how I get up in the morning....

[Nuke]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

And people wonder how I get up in the morning....

i ussally dont get out of bed till the afternoon

[Ford Prefect]

Yeah, ever since I got out of school I've gotten into that nasty habit too. Every time I wake up and the clock says 12:15, I just hate myself.

[Nuke]

i dont waste time hating my self, i just focus my hate onto the human race and wait for the day i can burn them all with nuclear fire.

[Bobboau]

but realy, why do you waist your time hateing such an insignifigant spec of mostly water and carbon

and god damnit! why did you have to go and derail a perfictly good thread for argueing about creationism!?

the auh... light thing, it's pathetic, HA!, pathetic I say, none of you shal dare chalenge my oppionion for I shal crush you with my mighty logic!