[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Black Wolf


That's a somewhat broad generalization, and a largely incorrect one. Homesick doesn't suck. Derelict doesn't suck. I happen to know that things like Lost Souls and Twisted Infinities won't suck. And at the same time there have been some pretty mediocre campaigns which have stayed entirely within the canon systems. Do you actually have reasons for saying that?

*cough*  Who said LS would stray into non-canon territory?

Originally posted by Aquatayne


iv found wat the actual system name of the nebula beyond gamma draconis. it was on a star map of all the ancients empire but i cant find it any more but ill keep lookin. it is actually pretty

That'd be a fan-made (i.e. non-canonical) map, then.

[RED DIAMOND]

Inferno is non canon and it does not suck by any means. Very strange statements people make:confused:

[Aquatayne]

I saw that ONCE, and I've been looking for it ever since. Where can I get it?

im lookin i think it was a fan made site

I can all but guarantee that what you found was fan made and not canon, but by all means have a look. A lot of the nodemaps people have made are quite nice.

still it opens of mysteries like if they are really called that and did he make them up or are they real

[Aquatayne]

LADIES AND GENTLMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS I PRESENT 2 U.............



THE FREESPACE UNIVERSE!!!


how do u like them apples:cool:

[The Spac]

nice map but if the shivans were that close there'd be nothing left of the GTVA

[Hippo]

Calm down there a bit...



[q]...also, i was wondering if anyone had thought about making an interactive 3D map, that would be a pretty interesting a welcome addition to the FS community in my opinion...[/q]

Someone made one long ago...

[karajorma]

And never released it!

AFAIK Galemp never released his map so if someone did one it would be worth having.

For those who are wondering the map is from Behind Enemy Lines. There's another version with some of those stars marked as Dyson Spheres IIRC.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by aldo_14


*cough*  Who said LS would stray into non-canon territory?

That's a good point.

LS will do nothing of the sort...

OR WILL IT?!?!?!

[Ghost]

Ah, thank you, Aquitayne.

I'm assuming the blue is Ancients?

[Jal-18]

Why are there something like 6 times as many stars in GTVA space as opposed to Shivan/Ancient space?  Not to mention all the stars in the latter are made up.

[TopAce]

Aldebaran is also misspelt.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Jal-18
Why are there something like 6 times as many stars in GTVA space as opposed to Shivan/Ancient space?  Not to mention all the stars in the latter are made up.

We've explored our space. Have we explored their space? No, so we haven't discovered all the inbetween stars in their space. It's not a matter of 'there are more here than there are there,' so much as discovery.

[WMCoolmon]

It's from the so-called FS2.9, whose storyline was based on some variation of Behind Enemy Lines.

I remember I was always skeptical/suspicious of the whole thing...and then the 'two' guys (who used the same screenname) disappeared.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Black Wolf

That's a somewhat broad generalization, and a largely incorrect one. Homesick doesn't suck. Derelict doesn't suck. I happen to know that things like Lost Souls and Twisted Infinities won't suck. And at the same time there have been some pretty mediocre campaigns which have stayed entirely within the canon systems. Do you actually have reasons for saying that?
....

You are forgetting that campaigns are a matter of taste. Somebody doesn't like a campaign because it's too hard to beat or it's plotline is unbelievable to happen. This man simply doesn't like when we step away from canon too much. I don't think there is a problem with this view. That we don't agree with it, we should respect it. And I do.

[RED DIAMOND]

There almost seems to be an underlying bias against non canon by some here. Frankly, it is hard to understand and respect a limiting point of view like that.

We have FRED to make our own missions. Looking at that in the most restrictive unimaginative way ANYTHING not included in the retail version six years ago made in FRED by us is non canon. How ridiculous does that sound??

I think people should respect all of the storytellers here, canon or not.

[karajorma]

Actually there are are enough ships in the community that you can ditch the entire Freespace universe completely.

My complaints about people who go a little bit non-canon is based on their lack of bravery or initative to go the whole hog and just make up their own universe.

If you want to avoid canon go all the way. Otherwise stick to it. None of this sorta, kinda canon bulls**t.

[RED DIAMOND]

Originally posted by karajorma
Actually there are are enough ships in the community that you can ditch the entire Freespace universe completely.

My complaints about people who go a little bit non-canon is based on their lack of bravery or initative to go the whole hog and just make up their own universe.

If you want to avoid canon go all the way. Otherwise stick to it. None of this sorta, kinda canon bulls**t.

You are kidding right? None of this sorta, kinda canon bs? That is my point mate. EVERYTHING "we" do is non canon:eek:

Or to put it better ANYTHING not from "V" is NOT canon:wtf:

A story is a story and a good story is a good story. The art is in the proper mixing and matching. BTW, I totally agree about being able to ditch the FS universe

[karajorma]

Originally posted by RED DIAMOND
You are kidding right? None of this sorta, kinda canon bs? That is my point mate. EVERYTHING "we" do is non canon:eek:

Or to put it better ANYTHING not from "V" is NOT canon:wtf:  

You're the one who commented on their being a bias against non-canon then you twist what you're saying round and claim that it must mean that we're biased against every single mod and campaign in development.


I had assumed that you meant campaigns that went against canon by doing stupid s**t like having 15 colossi a year after Capella. If that wasn't what you meant then what the hell are you on about?

[Jal-18]

Going non-canon is fine, as long as you can convince the player that what you're doing makes sense and is something they can convince themselves to believe in.

The above map instantly shatters any suspension of disbelief I might have had, simply because if they can't take the time to create a proper and complete looking map, it places doubts on my mind that the actual campaign will be much better. (And the "we haven't explored it yet" arguement is bollocks.  The map is from an all-knowing point of view, and even if it wasn't, you should have some cheap "Unknown regions" graphic or something to fill in all that empty space.)

[RED DIAMOND]

Originally posted by karajorma



You're the one who commented on their being a bias against non-canon then you twist what you're saying round and claim that it must mean that we're biased against every single mod and campaign in development.

I had assumed that you meant campaigns that went against canon by doing stupid s**t like having 15 colossi a year after Capella. If that wasn't what you meant then what the hell are you on about?

I need to explain. Yes, there does seem to be a bias, but not by me. I was just pointing out the fact that we are all doing non canon mate. In addition, I agree that plotlines need to be punched up if 15 colossi are in the GTVA in 2368.

I was speaking to some degree to the half and half comment made about those campaigns that don't go whole hog an create there own non freespace verse. Some may think that the Freespace community(at the cult stage) would not accept a whole hog verse. A practical decision possibly, but lack of bravery or  initative seemed a bit harsh.

My sensitivites aside you made valid points that I respect. S~