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Offline DeepSpace9er

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Reply #60 on: July 02, 2005, 09:52:06 pm
I want to ride a bicycle to work everyday too!
 

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Reply #61 on: July 03, 2005, 12:47:00 am
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I want to ride a bicycle to work everyday too!

If your being sarcastic I feel sorry for you :blah:

If your being serious good going:yes: :D

Although I can't really ride a bicycle around here that well my ATV gets better gas mileage then a car.
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Reply #62 on: July 03, 2005, 02:06:49 am
Actually, there's at least one very good reason to try and slow down global warming...

Much of global warming is caused by burning fossil fuels. These are something of a finite resource. So what happens to our civillization - which apparently we can't try to change to not use fossil fuels, because that would cost money - when fossil fuels run out?
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Reply #63 on: July 03, 2005, 03:02:48 am
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Actually, there's at least one very good reason to try and slow down global warming...

Much of global warming is caused by burning fossil fuels. These are something of a finite resource. So what happens to our civillization - which apparently we can't try to change to not use fossil fuels, because that would cost money - when fossil fuels run out?




It would collapse. But I guess that doesn't really matter to the right wing of this country or ill-informed people like Deepspa9er..... :rolleyes:
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Reply #64 on: July 03, 2005, 08:35:35 am
Last time I was in London - and in the financial sector (rough area of St. Pauls and the Bank of England) it was packed with the bikes of people cycling to work.

It avoid congestion, for one thing.  Also helps people get fit; the only real problem with it is the air pollution (they have to breathe in).

(actually, that's probably another major benefit of pollution controls; reduces problems like asthma and lung conditions)
  

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Reply #65 on: July 03, 2005, 08:37:29 am
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(China, incidentally, produces 2.3tonnes of CO2 per capita; the US produces 20.1 and the EU 8.5)


America does generate IIRC 35% of the total capital of the planet. Obviously that isn't justification.
 

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Reply #66 on: July 03, 2005, 01:41:28 pm
Eh, missed this first time 'round.

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I want to ride a bicycle to work everyday too!


It'd be a good way to help keep in shape and save money.
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Reply #67 on: July 03, 2005, 02:20:30 pm
Actually considering what my job is it would be physically impossible as i travel more than 60+ miles everyday. And my bike has flat tires in my basement covered with dust and cobwebs... guess it is sarcasm; now feel sorry for me!
 

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Reply #68 on: July 03, 2005, 02:24:23 pm
60 miles = only 4 hours biking @ an avg speed of 15 mph. :p
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Reply #69 on: July 03, 2005, 04:03:44 pm
so that means to get to work i got to wake up at say.... 3am, but that still doesnt cover all of my work supplies i have to haul. Maybe ill get one of the pedal cars instead.
 

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Reply #70 on: July 03, 2005, 04:15:31 pm
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Actually, there's at least one very good reason to try and slow down global warming...

Much of global warming is caused by burning fossil fuels. These are something of a finite resource. So what happens to our civillization - which apparently we can't try to change to not use fossil fuels, because that would cost money - when fossil fuels run out?


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It would collapse.


What I don't get is why the oil companies don't adapt and focus on cleaner sources of energy. They have to switch eventually, and there's a ton of money in it for them if they do.
 

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Reply #71 on: July 03, 2005, 04:51:59 pm
With Brent at $60 a barrel I can't say I blame them completely for not wanting to stop the money rolling in. Rather short sighted of them though.
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Reply #72 on: July 03, 2005, 05:12:26 pm
Ironically the best hope is coming from one of the bigger pollution responsible: the energy companies.

With the oil price going up they are finally forking up cash in order to try switching to other sources, this is going quite nicely in places like Germany, maybe not everything is lost...


BTW, if some experimentation about solar cells made with saline crystals in Italy goes well I think M.E. and Africa are going to take a good share of energy production...

They surely got room and sun for massive solar plants...
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Reply #73 on: July 03, 2005, 05:16:41 pm
 

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Reply #74 on: July 03, 2005, 05:42:25 pm
Why waste huge masses of land for solar plants? Isnt there some prototype fusion reactor that is going to be built in France  that supposedly is going to attempt to break even on energy production?

Yes here is da link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4629239.stm


Why collect rays from the sun when you can make one next door?
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Reply #75 on: July 03, 2005, 05:50:01 pm
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Why waste huge masses of land for solar plants? Isnt there some prototype fusion reactor that is going to be built in France  that supposedly is going to attempt to break even on energy production?

Yes here is da link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4629239.stm


Why collect rays from the sun when you can make one next door?
:ha:


Because

a) that plant will be just a large scale replication of an experiment that so far consumed more energy than it produced

b) it will take more than 20 years to build it with no certainity over the productivity

c) In places like sahara (or texas) you got miles and miles of desert and barren... put them at use in a productive way...

d) solar plants already break even and with decent research behind they could give fossil fuel a run for its money

oh, and

e) solar plants don't go boom if given poor maintenance
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Reply #76 on: July 03, 2005, 06:01:55 pm
RE: to further the point of b) It's been estimated IIRc that it will take at least 40-50 years to develop a working fusion reactor (if it's even possible, which is to be decided).

And as kara said earlier, it's predicted that global warming will become irreversible after 2025 at current rates.  So it's not even a solution, if it could be guarenteed to even work, which it isn't.  Which means the problem of global warming has to be 'solved' regardless of the Iter project.
 

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Reply #77 on: July 03, 2005, 07:22:50 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4647383.stm - more lack of progress....at least Bush is now conceeding that humans have an impact...but he's not willing to budge.  The economy is more important he says.

Kyoto so far has not wrecked Canada's economy.
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Reply #78 on: July 03, 2005, 07:58:13 pm
Thats because Kyoto is targeting countries like the US not Canada to go by what environmentalist wackos want. This is basically institutionalised socialism when it all boils down.
 

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Reply #79 on: July 03, 2005, 08:02:13 pm
Considering the fact that we have the technology to have a sustainable economy and "go by what the environmentalist wackos want" yet companies in the US are refusing to make the necessary changes, perhaps treaties such as Kyoto or even the emission standards that McCain and Lieberman proposed are a necessary kick in the pants?

When the US military is moving to hybrid vehicles, but a certain popular consumer car is getting at best 7 mpg, there's something wrong.
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