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Could be Bob. The reporter might have had it wrong when she said the tripods were already beneath the surface waiting for the arrowheads. Certainly, the martians were larger than those arrowheads appeared to be.

on the other hand, the likely hood of finding all the elements in the area needed to build a tripod in that case is pretty slim. Also, matter replication setups leave one to wonder why were they invading in the first place? they certainly wouldn't need resources.
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Nah. I never buy into "Because they're EEEEEVIL!!!!11!!" train of thought. Its like saying "Because the Bible says so." Its a mental and rhetorical dead end.
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They actually stated in the beginning of the movie why - because they were jealous of our planet - they must want it's resources, like water, minerals....people, etc.

 

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Could be Bob. The reporter might have had it wrong when she said the tripods were already beneath the surface waiting for the arrowheads. Certainly, the martians were larger than those arrowheads appeared to be.

on the other hand, the likely hood of finding all the elements in the area needed to build a tripod in that case is pretty slim. Also, matter replication setups leave one to wonder why were they invading in the first place? they certainly wouldn't need resources.


I figure that the tripods were actually planted all thruought human history instead of millions of years ago. That would be a nice explanation for UFO sightings: It's the martians planting the seeds of invasion.
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...There was supposed to be an "O" tagging along with the "UF."

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Lol. Good one.
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According to current shield theories, here is how it stands:

A shield should be circular in shape

A shield should be singular (no quadrants - no known way to do it, and even of there wre, it would involve waising a lot of energy on the divisions, energy that could be used far better anyway)

A shield can perotect only for one specific form of energy. To protect you from multiple attacks you would ned several shields layered on top of eachother

Matter can eother pass or cannot pass trough the shield - no exceptions. That means a walker in a circular shield couldn't walk, as either it couldn't get it feet trough the shield, or the shield would actually be the one touching the ground, and for the walker it would be like waling inside a large ball.
sphere shaped - not dome.

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So I guess hte humans should have tried different attacks.

try bullets! Doesn't work?
Try missiles! doesn't work
Try lasers!
Ery EMP
Try napalm
Try something else

Chances ar the ONE of this thing wil lgo trough.

If not, you can allways distribute strap-on explosives to the population and tell them to run around yelling in panic, near a alien fertilazator machine
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According to current shield theories, here is how it stands:

A shield should be circular in shape

A shield should be singular (no quadrants - no known way to do it, and even of there wre, it would involve waising a lot of energy on the divisions, energy that could be used far better anyway)

A shield can perotect only for one specific form of energy. To protect you from multiple attacks you would ned several shields layered on top of eachother

Matter can eother pass or cannot pass trough the shield - no exceptions. That means a walker in a circular shield couldn't walk, as either it couldn't get it feet trough the shield, or the shield would actually be the one touching the ground, and for the walker it would be like waling inside a large ball.
sphere shaped - not dome.


Quote some papers or something, otherwise, you're just speculating. And besides, it's a movie - the martians can do whatever they damned well want.

I thouhgt the flick kicked arse meself - glad I saw it in the cinemas rather than on DVD. Well worth the cost of a ticket.
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I'm not speculating... There are documents you can find about it,and  Ihad a long talk about such sci-fi things with my Physics professor (Who works at CERN!!)
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Who says? One crazy man rambling in a basement doesn't make it a canon fact.


Right back at you.
And i´m not talking of hair covered monkeylike creatures, i´m talking Mankind as we know it, as in Homo Sapiens Sapiens. I doubt they would find much diference between a Neanderthal and a orangotang, and last i checked, i didn´t see the tripods hunting much of anything besides us.
And just why would they wait a million years to strike, taking an enourmous risk that we would have evolved up to a point where we could defeat them? If they were from Mars, and they kept a close watch on us, they would have seen us master the atom, and develope space travel. It was an awefull risk to take.

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Why didn't we see them coming to MAN the Tripods? Don't be ridiculous. Anything launched at the Earth from Mars on most trajectories will get to cislunar orbit without ever being detected.


If they were shot from Mars, what the hell was that black cloud over the city? The cloud seems to point to a ship in low orbit, firing the pods. Remember that they all arrived at the same time, but you can only see a portion of Earth from Mars. Unless you think the pods were "orbiting" the Earth and droping as they reached their intended targets. But in wich case, they could have been spoted just the same.
No, it all points to a mothership. The winds that started gushing just after the cloud appeared, the cloud itself, the Earth´s curvature, it all points to a mothership in orbit.


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The final and perhaps most important point is the idea that we've been 'scouring' Mars for years. We've only been looking at Mars for a short time. Sure we've sent a handful of probes there, and even dropped five or so landers on the planet, but we've hardly scoured the surface and we haven't even looked at subterranean Mars. Any species sufficiently advanced to set up this centuries long plan, probably did their launches when our satellites were on the far side of the planet, from underground launch complexes (pure speculation, but hey, they've been watching us long enough to prepare a ridiculously powerful invasion).


Ah, but we saw how they were terraforming Earth. If they were terraformers, we would have seen some evidence of alien-made structures or changes in Mars surface. We only sent a few probes, that is correct, but we have been looking at it through telescopes for almost 200 years. Something was bound to get picked up. Unless they were not from Mars all along, wich i´m inclined to agree with. The fact that they didn´t invade earlier, knowing that we were evolving so much had they kept us under close watch, indicates they were from somewhere else.
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We only sent a few probes, that is correct, but we have been looking at it through telescopes for almost 200 years. Something was bound to get picked up.


All I have to say to that...

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Oh I say, my good man, there are canals on Mars! I've seen them with my fiddly great spyglass! Truth! I have drawn a rather detailed picture!


That was from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. Even with modern telescopes--including the Hubble--you can't resolve anything smaller than about 100m on a side on the martian surface.

Now, as for the rest, I'll grant you the storm. But the rest? You're off in left field.

As for Trashman's shields... dude, lay off the spacecrack.
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Just saw the movie yesterday. It was a bit too Hollywood for my tastes, but all in all an enjoyable two hours.

They were all pussies except Tim Robbins. He may have looked crazy, but he was right: occupations always fail, so go underground and start a resistance. Woo! Yeah!

 

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He was right AND he was crazy. The two traits are orthagonal.
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Right back at you.


I was refering to Ogilvy not you :p

I posted this over on spacebattles.

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We only have the words of one (crazy) man in a basement to suppose that they have been there for millions of years. If we ignore him then the martians only need to have been around for as long as recorded history (which puts them at only a few thousand years old).

One theory I had is that the aliens don't have FTL and aren't from Mars. If that's the case they could send probes out to all the nearby worlds and have them build ships if they find a world suitable for colonisation.

The probes then signal back that this world is ripe and hide themselves so that they're ready for the aliens. The walkers were then buried to prevent damage from the elements, local flora and fauna and lastly to prevent inquisative humans finding them and being ready for the aliens when they arrive.

As to why the aliens don't simply let the machines terraform the world for them? Maybe they don't trust them. Maybe they like terraforming themselves (it could be a tradition or that they feel that they can only connect with a world if they terraform it themselves).

It's not the greatest explaination, feels a little forced to me but it fits the facts.


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He was right AND he was crazy. The two traits are orthagonal.


He had the right idea but he was far too crazy to have carried it out successfully. His screaming would have brought the martians down on him very quickly.

Had the army managed to conceal 5-6 soliders in the same basement though they definately could have proved the effectiveness of the tactic :)
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Just saw the movie. I´m really impressed. This movie will go down in history as a cult movie, for sure. The sound the tripods make puts shivers down my spine. Great stuff. I just wish the movie wasn´t so short.

I did found some inconsistencies:
If the aliens died because of a virus or something in our blood, the tripods should have been in the clear. As i see it, there were two kinds. The destroyer tripods, and the enslavement tripods. The enslavement tripods were sucking the blood from humans, but the destroyers were not. So how did they get infected?
And where were the nukes? Why weren´t they used?
And why wasn´t the alien spaceship detected in space? I presume there was one, although we never see it behind the clouds.
And why would they exterminate us, if they needed us as food??

All in all, this movie has become one of my all time favorites.
:yes: :yes: :yes:

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Btw, anyone else found the tripods to resemble the ones from HalfLife 2?


Not that it's wrong or anything, so don't take it as criticism, but this post makes it obvious that you've never read the book or seen a previous movie before. ;)
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Not that it's wrong or anything, so don't take it as criticism, but this post makes it obvious that you've never read the book or seen a previous movie before. ;)


Note that all the inconsistencies i mention, are strictly for this movie alone. I don´t mention the book anywhere. And no, i didn´t read the book, but i did saw the 1950´s movie, more than once, albeit a long time ago.
Anyway, i´m talking only of this particular movie, not the WOTW saga.
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Ok, I'll grant you that. I guess it was just your first and last observations that gave that impression: the book clearly states that they perished because of the totally incompatible Earth bacteria which is in just about everything, with atmosphere being the prime "carrier". What was stated in this movie may not have been in big bold letters, but it was made plenty clear for those who knew what to expect.

And go look for some sort of "Half Life 2 released!" thread on HLP; read through it, and you'll invariably discover that the Striders are compared to War of the World's tripods. :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill