[ZylonBane]

Well, that's what the BFG9K was originally supposed to be, kind of. In the early alpha-test versions of Doom, the BFG supposedly fired a dense, rapid spread of plasma shots. Unfortunately this taxed the engine so much that they had to take it out.

[Roanoke]

The Plasma Rifle has always rocked.

But the BFG wasn't in the original Quake. Or rather, it wasn't in the N64 port (didn't have a pc in them days)

[ZylonBane]

The weapon selection in Quake was pretty generitastic. You had an axe, a shotgun, two types of nail gun, grenade launcher, rocket launcher, and the lightning gun. Am I forgetting anything?

[Nico]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
Well, that's what the BFG9K was originally supposed to be, kind of. In the early alpha-test versions of Doom, the BFG supposedly fired a dense, rapid spread of plasma shots. Unfortunately this taxed the engine so much that they had to take it out.

They didn't take it out, the plasmagun was in doom, and the plasma stream was rapid and dense enough, if you ask me  "8" key, even. And in doom2, you'd have swarms of mechaspiders firing it at you, so the engine handled it well, methinks ^^

You forgot the double shotgun, in quake

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Nico
Yup, was the BFG9000 in doom. I found the BFG in quake3 was a bastardized version of the plasmagun from doom, iirc.

Bastardized? It was multiplayer-friendly.

[aldo_14]

http://5years.doomworld.com/doombible/section14.shtml

Doom (original) design doc.  Says bugger all about what it was supposed to look like ingame, natch.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Nico
They didn't take it out, the plasmagun was in doom

Please respond to what I actually said. The BFG originally fired a SPREAD of shots. This behavior was removed and replaced with the single uber-shot + freaky instant cone-of-death.

[Triple Ace]

I still have hope Duke Nukem Forever will one day be released.

[BlackDove]

Anyone remember Blood?

[Nico]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
Please respond to what I actually said. The BFG originally fired a SPREAD of shots. This behavior was removed and replaced with the single uber-shot + freaky instant cone-of-death.

Yeah, and as I said, I don't think it's because the game engine was too weak, since what you describe is the plasma gun, just shooting randomly instead of in straight line
IIR, that's the kind of weapon the humonculus had in doom2, anyway ("the big mob which was saying "haboobwaha!" before shooting)

[aldo_14]

I believe Zbs point was that the planned BFG would be firing multiple shots where the Plasma gun only fires one.  So you'd be talking multiplying the drawing alone for projectiles by several times over the plasma gun.  (and possibly with added complexity for colission detection and whatnot; I'm not sure offhand what optimizations enemy fire has over player fire, but I think there will be some you can make)

Offhand, I think player weapons did fire somewhat faster than enemies; also, it's easier to control problems stemming from enemy density than from what the player does.

[Roanoke]

Originally posted by Nico

IIR, that's the kind of weapon the humonculus had in doom2, anyway ("the big mob which was saying "haboobwaha!" before shooting)

The fat bloke with guns for hands ?

[aldo_14]

I always thought he said hrumphyfumpf.

Although my memory may be tricking me.

[achtung]

*pulls lever*

The mancubus says wahewah.

[Admiral LSD]

Originally posted by BlackDove
Anyone remember Blood?

"I live... AGAIN!"

[Nico]

Originally posted by Swantz
*pulls lever*

The mancubus says wahewah.

huh yeah, mancubus, I somewhat mixed with descent3 there ~~
And I stand with "Haboobwaha"!

[Darkblade]

Originally posted by Swantz
Well then it's Duke's mouselook altogether.

BTW is Duke Nukem Nukem Manhattan project any good?

Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project is a bloody good platformer-shooter. Best I have played in a while.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Admiral LSD
"I live... AGAIN!"

Yeah, what is it with Build engine games compulsively ripping off Evil Dead's best lines?

Blood was a fantastic game though. Everything about it was pure class-- the weapon design, the enemies, the levels that actually looked like real places, the sound effects (I have that insane cackle when you blow stuff up burned into my brain). I should pick up a copy of the Plasma Pack off eBay one of these days. Too bad I never got DOS sound working on my SBLive.

Blood 2, on the other hand, was garbage. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to set the entire game in boring urban levels should be shot in the nuts.

[achtung]

Whats Blood?