[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Rictor
...they can't even properly kill people, which is a somewhat crucial component of being a terrorist.

You're completely wrong here, man. You don't need to kill ANYone to be an effective terrorist. All you have to do is generate terror. And in that light, this second round of bombings - failed as it may have been - was more successful than the first round.

Originally posted by Bobboau
wasn't that the aneversery of the Oslo Isreal failed peace thingy?

Nope, September 13th.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Sandwich
You're completely wrong here, man. You don't need to kill ANYone to be an effective terrorist. All you have to do is generate terror. And in that light, this second round of bombings - failed as it may have been - was more successful than the first round.

Actually no.

The general outlook in the UK seems to be the exact opposite in fact. It might change if there is a third attempt but at the moment the view seems more like the terrorists shot their wad with the first bombing and are now desperately trying to come up with something else because at the moment they've got nothing.

Not to mention the fact that like in Israel everyone over here is used to bombings and very few are letting it disrupt their lives.

[aldo_14]

People seem to be making an effort not to be scared or terrified but to almost put themselves right into the 'firing line', just as a big **** you to these terrorists.  Angry, not scared, I think (at least from a perspective hundreds of miles away).

[vyper]

Yeah, the media is making more a scare story out of it than the actual public.

[WMCoolmon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

[Sandwich]

Well, if the media is focusing on the "good stuff" of people reacting in panic, regardless of it not representing what's actually happening on the ground, I can certainly understand that. And people's reactions of "You don't scare us, and we aren't gonna change our lifestyle because of your actions" is a lot more common than you might think - it happens in Israel, it happened in NY, and now in London.

[vyper]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

I heard that. Aint't that gonna cause fun?

[Sandwich]

Looks like it's time to break out with some good old racial profiling.

[Clave]

It's tragic but I STILL don't understand why he ran away...

[karajorma]

Exactly. Reports say that the man was first challenged outside the tube station, ran inside, jumped over the ticket barrier, ran down the escalator to the train, was challenged again as he got onto the train and then was finally wrestled to the ground and shot 5 times.

Now considering that one eyewitness has described seeing the guy wearing a bomb belt it's obvious that you can't trust eyewitness reports but even if only half of the things I describe are accurate I think most of us would still have formed the opinion that he was a suicide bomber and shot him.

As for racial profiling the guy isn't even black or asian. I know the police can be racist but I'd expect them to be able to tell the difference between a whitish-skinned brazilian and an asian man.

[Flipside]

Thing is, though I hate to use the term because it sounds like an insult rather than an observation, if you are going to expect attacks like in Israel, then you can expects the police to respond like the policing forces in Israel, running towards a train full of people when told to stop, considering the current climate around here, is a surefire way to get shot. Alas, this isn't the Wild West comics where it's all man-to-man on your feet, facing each other. As for shooting him when he was down, well, if I were a policeman and thought the man I had just brought down was a Suicide Bomber with a live bomb on his back, I'd probably have done the same thing considering his behaviour. We train our Police very well on the whole, but this is a whole new ball game, and these are going to be the rules.

n a way the Terrorists aren't winning in the UK, they are helping the government to start pushing through acts that will do far more to damage our way of life than these attacks have. So in many ways they are assisting the government's agenda.

[vyper]

In other words they are winning Flip - they're helping to destroy our freedoms.

Besides you don't shoot a man five times in the head to kill him, you shoot him five times in the head to make sure no one can operate on him and save him. No?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by vyper

Besides you don't shoot a man five times in the head to kill him, you shoot him five times in the head to make sure no one can operate on him and save him. No?

What's the difference?

[vyper]

Because one bullet to the head can be operated on, and sometimes a man can be brought back from certain death. Putting five bullets in his head is rather more final - considering there won't be a head to operate on.

Edit: And more to the point it just shows sheer bloody viciousness.

[Bobboau]

or maybe he was just trying to kill him.

[vyper]

Am I the only one who sees you only need to shoot someone once in the head to "kill" them? What was he going to do - use his remaining minute electrical impulses to trigger a bomb?

Edit: Which is actually all beside the point. The guy was innocent of the crime he was shot for.

And please, no pish about "if he had nothing to hide he shouldn't have ran". That's like saying I should be perfectly happy with the police being able to stop and search me on a whim because I have nothing to hide. It's the cowards way out of defending freedom and democracy.

[Bobboau]

they didn't know he was innocent, all they knew is they suspected him of beeing a suicide bomber, and he ran into a train when they tried to stop him.

now was it an automatic weapon, or a semi-automatic one?

[vyper]

[q]they didn't know he was innocent, all they knew is they suspected him of beeing a suicide bomber[/q]

That's a pretty tenuous basis to take a man's life.

[Bobboau]

..and he ran into a train when they tried to stop him.

[karajorma]

No more tenuous than the evidence you're using to decide that the police acted in bad faith.

Why rush to condemnation? The police are investigating the matter. Why the need to complain about the police making snap decisions on dodgy evidence and then doing the same bloody thing yourselves?