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Offline Setekh

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Ahem   That flashy little logo thing is rather... old - IIRC, I did it about 5 months ago  
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Offline NeoHunter

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I think the new Hard Light logo is not neccessary. It causes the forum pages  to load slowly on computers with 56k modems or less.

Also, how many of us really notice the logo up there? Does it make a difference? I don't really spend time to stare at it anyway. I just post replies or start new threads and such.

The above statements were my opinions.

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Offline Black Ace

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I agree... and I'm on a T1 line... But I remember life as a 56k-er, so I can sympathize...

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Offline Fineus

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Bah, Shrike gave me Mythical l33tness, although he didn't need to bother as it went without saying anyway  

Oh, and someone has been playing with my post count... so I gave myself 10K and decided to build from there.

 

Offline Stryke 9

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Setekh: Are you saying you lost the source files? Gimme a day, I've gotta GIF editor...

 

Offline Sandwich

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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
I was about to say the same...

Oh, and the Photoshop animated-GIF totally-wrong person, I think it's time to be condescending: To animate a GIF, you compile multiple GIF files. Hence, if you cange ALL the separate frames and recompile (a good 10 minutes work for 30 frames at most),  the whole thing is smaller. Speak only of what you have experiernc in, and I won't haul out the Dead Frozen Goat of Justice. Do I need to explain that statement too?

I love being mean.


Dude...*sigh* I'm not going to turn this into a flame war or anything, so don't bother trying to get my goat.  

Now, everything I say/said about Photoshop is concerning version 6.0, with ImageReady 3.0 alongside it.

You are correct in a manner of speaking about what animated GIF's are made of, but there is more: they can also be onion-skinned. That means that the next frame in sequence will not be a complete picture, but only show what changed between the frames. This can shrink the filesize by a huge amount in certain files.

Note: I think that onion-skinning is the right term for this - it's also the whole keyframe thing in digital video files.

Now, about ImageReady's handling of animated GIF's. When you open an animated GIF in ImageReady, it shows all the frames as different layers, as well as some sort of list down bottom. Fine, whatever. I admit freely that the time I've spent in ImageReady is about 20 minutes total, but I couldn't figure out how to optimize the animation as a whole. It could have been made much easier.  And yes, there is a nice menu item called "Optimize Animation" in the menu of that animation preview window/toolbar, but it didn't do much for me.

PSP7's Animation Shop, on the other hand, makes the whole process very simple. It can process a whole animation just like PSP itself can process a single image. Optimization, filters, everything. And, I must admit again - I've only spent 20 minutes or so in Animation Shop, too. All it needed was a click on File --> Animation Wizard.  

So to sum up:
- There definetly is power in changing an animation's frames seperately, but for what was being talked about here a general change to the animation as a whole is best.
- Don't accuse someone of talking about something that person has no experience in. When you do that not only do you come across as some sort of elite know-it-all, but by your accusations you make yourself guilty of the very thing that you accused me of.

Now, there is absolutely nothing to loose by replacing that 300Kb animation with an optimized version. So do it, please.  

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Offline Nico

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Originally posted by sandwich:
That means that the next frame in sequence will not be a complete picture, but only show what changed between the frames. This can shrink the filesize by a huge amount in certain files.


Like cellulos for cartoons, you mean?
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Offline Stryke 9

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No offence intended, dude, I just was being annoying as usual.

Yeh, but I don't use ImageReady... I have GIF Animator and a few other program that do the job quite nicely (you can get the proper equipment for anything free if you practice cheating the free-trial-version people enough   ) Problem is now that the program I have is much older than the program Setekh used to make it (everything is on this comp). But I have some newer apps that might do it on another computer, albeit awkwardly (Flash was decidedly not built for this sort of thing, but it should be able to process the newer form of GIF). We'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

Offline Setekh

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Originally posted by Black Ace:
I agree... and I'm on a T1 line... But I remember life as a 56k-er, so I can sympathize...

Well, I wasn't the one to put it up...

*looks in Shrike's direction*

But I really don't mind. I'm on a 56k and naturally I visit these Forums everyday - and the GIF simply loads from the cache. I never really miss any time loading it except the first time I did, a few days back...
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Offline Stryke 9

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Ok here it goes:
 

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[This message has been edited by Stryke 9 (edited 08-03-2001).]

 

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All right, all right:
   



[This message has been edited by Stryke 9 (edited 08-03-2001).]

 

Offline Shrike

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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Ok here it goes:
   

Um..... no.  If you stop and think about it for a sec, Setekh has every right to beat with a stick, after all, you're putting your name on his work.  

BTW, is it supposed to have a black border around it?
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Offline Stryke 9

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A tiny fraction of the size and no noticeable difference... I did a lot more work than I felt like on this one, Steak, you'd better say nice things about it...

 

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I personally think it looks like sh*t Stryke, the color depth all screwey now.
i don't play freespace

 

Offline Setekh

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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
A tiny fraction of the size and no noticeable difference... I did a lot more work than I felt like on this one, Steak, you'd better say nice things about it...

Okay. I've tried hard to be pleasant about this one. But you are just wrong on this one.

It's 50k now. Right, given, it's smaller.

However. You have put your name on my work; you have reduced its quality; and you have these wierd white frames around the damn thing. Look: no. I'm not going to use that and you had better not take that as your work, because it's not. It would be like ... Woomeister not giving credit for converting Dark's SF Gorgon to FS2 (speaking of which, kudos to Woomeister for actually not doing that).

And apart from that, you have almost completely lost my sense of respect from you. Not only have you proven before that you won't listen to reason, you call me by a name I dislike and then expect me to act nicely to you. I'm sorry, but no. One final note:

 
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
no noticeable difference...

Hey, dude! Turn your monitor on. See it? Yes? Very good.  

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Offline Black Ace

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I agree... and I'll say no more...

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